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Moscow angered by US plan for 'star wars' bases in Europe to counter threat of Iran
Belfast Telegraph ^ | 24 May 2006 | Rupert Cornwell

Posted on 05/24/2006 9:41:45 AM PDT by lizol

Moscow angered by US plan for 'star wars' bases in Europe to counter threat of Iran

By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

24 May 2006 In a move that is raising hackles in Moscow, the US is proposing to install an anti-missile defence system in central Europe to counter any future attack from a nuclear-armed Iran.

The plan, for which the Pentagon has requested $56m (£30m) of exploratory funding from Congress, would cost $1.6bn and involve 10 interceptor units.

The most likely base for the system is Poland, followed by the Czech Republic, officials said. For the moment, the scheme ­ first reported in The New York Times this week and which would parallel the anti-missile shield under construction in Alaska and California against attacks from North Korea ­ is largely symbolic and hypothetical.

Iran currently has no weapons capable of hitting western Europe, let alone an intercontinental missile that could strike the United States. But as a showdown moves closer between the West and Tehran over its uranium-enrichment programme, and with the Israeli Prime Minister in Washington warning that Iran represents a threat not only to Israel but to Western civilisation, the US is determined to send another signal of its determination to act.

The new shield would bring a direct US military presence deeper into Europe. And for Russia, the project reeks of American encroachment into what used to be its own sphere of influence. The move would have "a negative impact on the whole Euro-Atlantic security system", Sergei Ivanov, the Russian Defence Minister, told a Belarus newspaper, hinting at further strain on ever-delicate relations between Russia and Nato. The mooted site for the system was "dubious, to put it mildly", he said.

This is not the first time the missile shield has divided the two countries.

In 2002, President Bush upset Moscow by unilaterally pulling out of the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, long regarded in Moscow as the cornerstone of nuclear arms control.

The possible extension of missile defences into Poland or the Czech Republic ­ both staunch American allies ­ is the latest episode of a story that has inspired dreams and controversy in equal measure since it was first sketched out by President Ronald Reagan in 1983 as the Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI), quickly dubbed "Star Wars". But despite more than 20 years of work and tens of billions of dollars in spending, it is now accepted that any such shield would be overwhelmed by an attack from Russia, which possesses a nuclear arsenal comparable to the US.

It has now been scaled back to cope with the far more limited strike that North Korea might be able to deliver to the continental US by the end of the decade. So far, nine interceptor rockets are in place at Fort Greely in Alaska, and two more at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. But the viability even of this version is questionable.

"It [the shield] has been doing very poorly," a former Pentagon official involved in the testing told The New York Times. "They have not had a successful flight intercept test in four years."

But the slow progress has not deterred extensive contacts between the US and Poland in particular. Polish press reports have said that Boeing, the lead company on the project, has already agreed to subcontract work to Polish concerns.

According to The New York Times, the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, is expected to receive a recommendation on a European site in the summer. If the plan for interceptors in Poland goes ahead, it would create the first permanent American military presence in the country.

At least as logical a site for the shield would be Britain, where the Pentagon is already upgrading equipment at the early warning radar base of Fylingdales in North Yorkshire. But the intense domestic unpopularity of Tony Blair ­ who is meeting President Bush in Washington tomorrow ­ and hostility to the Iraq war have ruled that option out.

Poland, on the other hand, has been a staunch ally of the US ever since Communism collapsed there in 1989. It is now a member of Nato, and has contributed troops to the occupation of Iraq.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: czechrepublic; defence; europe; iran; poland; russia; sonofstarwars
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To: Grzegorz 246
This thing is going to defend US, not Europe.

We really don’t know any details. Why would the Russian cry if this would be the only purpose?

41 posted on 05/24/2006 11:23:10 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz

Personally I think we should sell poland some ICBM's and let see the russkies sweat a little as they try and bully you. :)


42 posted on 05/24/2006 11:25:40 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Lukasz

"We really don’t know any details."

Most of experts say so.

"Why would the Russian cry if this would be the only purpose?"

Probably because of the same reasons they cried over our membership in NATO.


43 posted on 05/24/2006 11:28:10 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: lizol

Since it makes little sense for Russia to be "angered" by a missile defense system, I'm inclined to doubt that its true.

Eastern Europe is a good location for such a system, but better yet would be for it to be built in layers, with part of it based in Turkey or Georgia, or even southern Russia if they decided to get on board.

Israel is an obvious target for a missile strike, so its almost a certainty that part of the system will be based there.


44 posted on 05/24/2006 11:29:37 AM PDT by marron
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To: All
Read The Ezekiel Option


45 posted on 05/24/2006 11:36:00 AM PDT by Hoboto (I blame Hippies.)
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To: lizol

There are several assertions in the article that do not bear the slightest resemblance to reality.


46 posted on 05/24/2006 11:38:41 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Even so, that is MORE of an reason to base in Turkey.


48 posted on 05/24/2006 12:25:34 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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Russia Has “Asymmetric Response” to U.S. Missile Defense Plans
49 posted on 05/24/2006 12:48:52 PM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

I guess I just keep remembering that for most of my life, the Soviets were our main adversary.

Anything that makes a roosski squawk, has got to be good for America.


50 posted on 05/24/2006 12:50:36 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: lizol
Moscow angered by US plan for 'star wars' bases in Europe to counter threat of Iran

Russia does not need to be angry nor worried wince the shield is aimed against Iran, not Russia... at least for now. If Russia politely joins the sanction and agrees with military action, then there will be less need for such shield. We are just politely and legally blackmailing Russia to stop support against terrorist sponsering Iran.
51 posted on 05/24/2006 1:20:08 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: taxcontrol

We don't need Turkey at all. We can use Iraq, Kuwait, Georgia, Afghanistan, and Cyprus (Greece) as an alternative to do the job.


52 posted on 05/24/2006 1:22:38 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: taxcontrol

Turkey seems to be too close, besides they rather wouldn't agree to have this kind of base on their territory.


53 posted on 05/24/2006 1:23:14 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: lizol

As long as we can keep them away from the shield generator, it should be alright.


54 posted on 05/24/2006 1:28:53 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: lizol

"Iran currently has no weapons capable of hitting western Europe, let alone an intercontinental missile that could strike the United States."

This is a misleading statement. Iran has steadily increased the range of their missiles---especially since 1997 when it became apparent the Russians were providing them with missile technology---if not the missiles themselves. The current Iranian missiles can reach into Central Europe, so the notion that Western Europe should feel safe is ridiculous.


55 posted on 05/24/2006 2:37:21 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: lizol

"The possible extension of missile defences into Poland or the Czech Republic ­ both staunch American allies ­ is the latest episode of a story that has inspired dreams and controversy in equal measure since it was first sketched out by President Ronald Reagan in 1983 as the Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI), quickly dubbed "Star Wars". But despite more than 20 years of work and tens of billions of dollars in spending, it is now accepted that any such shield would be overwhelmed by an attack from Russia, which possesses a nuclear arsenal comparable to the US.

It has now been scaled back to cope with the far more limited strike that North Korea might be able to deliver to the continental US by the end of the decade. So far, nine interceptor rockets are in place at Fort Greely in Alaska, and two more at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. But the viability even of this version is questionable.

"It [the shield] has been doing very poorly," a former Pentagon official involved in the testing told The New York Times. "They have not had a successful flight intercept test in four years." "

Is the Israeli shield better? Then let's just buy theirs.


56 posted on 05/24/2006 2:39:16 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: lizol

"According to The New York Times, the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, is expected to receive a recommendation on a European site in the summer. If the plan for interceptors in Poland goes ahead, it would create the first permanent American military presence in the country."

Yaaa! That's an accomplishment in itself---regardless of the Iranian threat. Go Poland!


57 posted on 05/24/2006 2:40:28 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: lizol; Romanov

"The most likely base for the system is Poland, followed by the Czech Republic, officials said."

Too bad we didn't do this with General Patton in 1945 - it would have saved us alot of trouble - and about 60 million deaths


58 posted on 05/24/2006 6:00:09 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot

"Too bad we didn't do this with General Patton in 1945 - it would have saved us alot of trouble - and about 60 million deaths"

I'll give you this, no matter how empty your rhetoric is you'll cling to it like a drowning rat does to a tree branch in a flood.


59 posted on 05/24/2006 6:03:37 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: TheDon

The is the EXACT move we've needed to make for some time. Now we have given the Russians a choice - continue to play footsies with Iran and get us even closer into your backyard OR join the rest of the world in condemning them and make it impossible for this outlaw regime to further its nuclear ambitions.


60 posted on 05/24/2006 6:11:57 PM PDT by Romanov
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