Boeing Delivers Final 717s; Concludes Commercial Production in California

The Boeing Company ^ | May 23, 2006 | The Boeing Company

[COEXERJ145]

A sad day in the world of commercial aviation with the end of production in Long Beach.

[Youngman442002]

I assume Embraeaur(SP) beat them out

[Carry_Okie]

"Our production system is an industry benchmark because of the lean manufacturing and employee involvement practices we pioneered on the 717 in Long Beach," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and Chief Executive Officer Alan Mulally. "The 717 has forever redefined how we build airplanes. We're extremely proud of the airplane, our employees and our many supplier partners on the program."

'Thanks for your creative input and hard work. Now that we know what you've taught us, we'll teach those techniques to somebody who will do it for less. Screw you, we hated paying you as much as we did.'

Corporations own the intellectual property of proprietary processes, in return for which the creators of those processes get a paycheck and a pink slip, as if they are incapable of more. Such is "visionary" corporate leadership.

[COEXERJ145]

Embraer

[COEXERJ145]

Ping to You

[RockinRight]

I like these planes. They're a bit smaller than the 737, and more economical. Still much more comfortable and efficient than the "regional jets" offered by Canadair and Embraer. Why did they discontinue them?

[July 4th]

Corporations own the intellectual property of proprietary processes, in return for which the creators of those processes get a paycheck and a pink slip, as if they are incapable of more. Such is "visionary" corporate leadership.

So, an employee gets the benefit of major corporate funding for his/her research, and should be able to move wherever they please and take the rights to that intellectual property with them? I don't think so.

[Carry_Okie]

So, an employee gets the benefit of major corporate funding for his/her research, and should be able to move wherever they please and take the rights to that intellectual property with them? I don't think so.

A piece of it, yes, but then I'm not a corporate collectivist.

[MarineBrat]

"Our production system is an industry benchmark because of the lean manufacturing and employee involvement practices we pioneered on the 717 in Long Beach,"

Shouldn't that be finished up with "so we shut down that plant before it got 'catchy'!"

[COEXERJ145]

The CRJ's and ERJ's are much more efficient to operate than the 717 or Airbus' A318.

[gogeo]

No orders.

[calex59]

Since the employee was the one who actually had the thoughts( and thoughts belong to the person who thinks them)and the ideas and the company provided the capital to put them into effect, they should be partners with the originator of the intellectual property gettting a percentage of the profits.

Instead they are kicked out the door when it suits the company and given nothing except a weekly paycheck which ends of course when the company decides to do away with them, with the company keeping the intellectual property and continuing to profit by it.

I would judge from your remarks that you think this is fair and right. I don't happen to agree. Without the intellectual property their capital would not gain them much, certainly not to the same degree they get from the profits made from the intellectual property of others.

[ASOC]

Because it impacted on sales of the 737?

[ccmay]

More than 15,000 airplanes have been produced in the Long Beach factory.

It's amazing that 10,000 of these were made during the four years of WWII. What a great company Douglas was. The DC-3 gets my vote as the all-around most successful aircraft of all time. Plenty of them are still flying out of dirt strips in Turd World hell holes, 60 or 70 years after they were built.

At least their successors in Boeing are kicking the snot out of the Eurotrash nowadays.

[Carry_Okie]

July 4th talks about corporate capital as if it were the only investment involved. Employees put a lifetime of education and work into developing their skills. That is their capital.

From what I can tell, the ROI on developing technical skills sucks, bigtime. As long as that's the case, this nation will be screaming for H1-B visas because nobody with that kind of ability would be dumb enough to make the investment. They'll become lawyers instead.

How's that for productivity?

[Ditto]

Without the intellectual property their capital would not gain them much, certainly not to the same degree they get from the profits made from the intellectual property of others.

In most cases of large industry, developing "intellectual property" is a very capital intensive process.

Look at it this way. An architect designs your dream house to your specificiation. A civil engineer works out the construction details. Dozens of skilled craftsmen execute the plans and build the house. You pay them all for their services and labor. Do they own your house, or do you own it?

[Carry_Okie]

You pay them all for their services and labor. Do they own your house, or do you own it?

This is not an accurate analogy, because the intellectual property under discussion is an improvement in a manufacturing process. Thus the question isn't about who owns the house as to who owns the knowledge required to make it competitively.

[Last Dakotan]

The CRJ's and ERJ's are much more efficient to operate than the 717 or Airbus' A318.

Why doesn't Boeing make a Regional Jet?

[Paleo Conservative]

Concludes Commercial Production in California

What ever happened to the MD-80 line in the Peoples Republic of China?

[Paleo Conservative]

Why doesn't Boeing make a Regional Jet?

Labor costs in the US are too high to be competitive in that market. They are involved in the Russian Regional Jet (RRJ)project with Russian aerospace companies. What would be really smart would be to have a common cockpit between the RRJ's and the 787.