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Dobbs: Bush, Congress tell working folk to go to hell
CNN ^ | May 24, 2006 | Lou Dobbs

Posted on 05/24/2006 7:12:19 AM PDT by AZRepublican

NEW YORK (CNN) -- President Bush says that the installation of the new Iraqi government was a "watershed event," but at the same time warns Americans of the challenges and loss as we continue to prosecute the war against Iraqi insurgents. Sen. Harry Reid declares that legislation that would render English the national language is racist.

Thirty-seven Democrats vote for full amnesty for all illegal aliens in this country, even though nobody really knows whether the number is 11 million, 12 million or 20 million. The Senate Republican leadership demands that a "comprehensive immigration reform" plan must be passed before this Memorial Day weekend. And the president signs into law a tax cut that raises taxes on the educational funds of teenagers saving for college.

Never before in our country's history have both the president and Congress been so out of touch with most Americans. Never before have so few of our elected officials and corporate leaders been less willing to commit to the national interest. And never before has our nation's largest constituent group -- some 200 million middle-class Americans -- been without representation in our nation's capital.

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To: Huck

I get what your saying.

I don't know if some of the others are just obstinate, or are engaging in wishful thinking.

If "middle class" has any meaning, than I would expect a definition - preferably no more than one or two sentences and containing hard figures. If it takes more than that, than it has no meaning, other than nostalgia. "being in the middle of the two extremes" hardly constitutes a definition either.

For that matter, I'd like to see "rich" and "poor" defined in the same manner, in terms that do something other than identify the far extremeties of the continuum.

IMHO, classes are like pornography. You supposedly know it when you see it, but nobody can come up with a definition that everyone can agree with for anything other than the extremes.


61 posted on 05/24/2006 8:18:11 AM PDT by CertainInalienableRights
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To: CertainInalienableRights

"IMHO, classes are like pornography. You supposedly know it when you see it, but nobody can come up with a definition that everyone can agree with for anything other than the extremes."

So you are saying that there ARE classes?....or there is no such thing as porn.

Just because it might be hard to define does not mean it doesn't exist.


62 posted on 05/24/2006 8:21:46 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Earthdweller
Never before in our country's history have both the president and Congress been so out of touch with most Americans. Never before have so few of our elected officials and corporate leaders been less willing to commit to the national interest. And never before has our nation's largest constituent group -- some 200 million middle-class Americans -- been without representation in our nation's capital

It seems to me he is accurate on this.

63 posted on 05/24/2006 8:22:25 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: AZRepublican
Never before in our country's history have both the president and Congress been so out of touch with most Americans. Never before have so few of our elected officials and corporate leaders been less willing to commit to the national interest.

I don't know about 'never before', but the Senate and the President are demonstrating that they are out-of-touch every day!

64 posted on 05/24/2006 8:26:23 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: LM_Guy

Somebody elected those Senators. If we are to believe Lou, it wasn't anyone in the 200 million-strong middle class who cast votes for any of them.

If the entire 200 million-strong middle class (or 3 to 1 of all Americans) actually felt strongly enough about the issue to vote Senators out, then Senators up for re-election this year (Such as Mike DeWanker) would have adopted a position alongside Sessions.

Either these Senators are so stupid that they don't realize they are risking losing their cushy jobs and having to go out and work for a living, or Lou is full of it.

Sorry, Lou.


65 posted on 05/24/2006 8:26:35 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: Huck
Who is the term working folk supposed to apply to? Anyone with a job?

I don't know either, but to many of our representatives, anyone with a job is 'rich'!

66 posted on 05/24/2006 8:27:38 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: paul51
"Never before in our country's history have both the president and Congress been so out of touch with most Americans."

Americans who are getting feed a steady diet of Dobbs should feel out of touch.

67 posted on 05/24/2006 8:27:47 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Wild open borders are so pre-9/11.)
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To: Huck

"We don't have classes in our society."

Since when?

Even in liberal universities, class is explained in Pol, Sci. 101 as a paramid.

Take a pyramid shape, and divide it into thirds. The small paramid at the top is the upper class, the middle and larger portion is the middle class, and the lower portion is the lower class and the largest portion. It's roughly about incomes, and used to explain how the few at the top will never be numerous enough to pay all the bills. (liberals will even admit it.)

For those who think taxing the rich will pay the bills, it's been estimated that if one took the entire wealth of the rich and divided it between us, we'd each get about fifty dollars) The lower portion pays taxes too, but even though it is the largest portion it is so large and needy of a larger portion of social services as to hardly make a dent in supporting government, hense, the middle portion is tapped over and over, since only that portion of the paramid is large enough and wealthy enough to sustain government.

If the division of the paramid shifts very much, then things get out of kilter which is what we're taking about here. The lower third of the paramid is getting larger and the middle is growing smaller. There's not going to be enough of us to pay the bills of the lower, and even the rich can't bail us out.

Dobbs is talking about who really has to pay the bills!!! Look at Mexico--No middle class---coming soon to us---in spades.


68 posted on 05/24/2006 8:28:26 AM PDT by texaslil (and)
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To: Adder; Huck

Dobbs has been on the right side of the illegals issue.


69 posted on 05/24/2006 8:28:33 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Junior_G



Dobbs makes a sensational assertion as a lead in to his article, which obscures ration debate ont he subject.

It's ridiculous to claim in either tone or language that the POTUS is "telling the American Worker ot go to hell"


70 posted on 05/24/2006 8:28:43 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: Common Tator
Lets really unstablize Mexico so the revived communists of South American can add one more nation to their list of USA's enemies. Nothing our enemies would like better than to have a fellow enemy nation share a 2000 mile border with us.

If the rate of illegal immigration continues unabated and the number of legal immigrants is increased, it will be the US that becomes unstablized. The 11 to 20 million illegal aliens repersent the failure to enforce our laws. We cannot absorb the numbers of Mexicans and others who want to come here. I am more worried about the political situation in America than I am about what may happen in Mexico.

When 12 million people who are supporting 24 million Mexicans lose their jobs and are forced home what do you suppose they will do?

The 12 to 20 million illegals (about 60% of whom are Mexican) are not going home, forced or otherwise. The first objective should be to shut off the supply. I don't see the urgency in dealing with the illegals already here. Neither party is calling for mass deportation.

That would mean 36 million our of 107 million mexicans would be starving. The most likely thing they would do is over throw the government of Mexico. And the new Mexican government will have just one choice to survive as a goverment.

That is pure hyperbole based on nothing.

Our enemy list would include the militant Muslims, the resurgent Russians, as well as Castro and Chavez. Just how much mischief do you think they could do with that border.

They are already trying to cross our virtually undefended southern border. FBI's Mueller: Hezbollah Busted in Mexican Smuggling Operation

To prevent them from sending thousands of insurgents accross our border we would have to bring the troops home from the middle east. I would have to the worlds longest battle line with orders to shoot on radar pickup. With us out of the middle east what do the Militant Muslims do? They would use just take over the majority of the worlds oil supply. They would tell us if we want oil we will have to pay at least 700 dollars a barrel. Or perhaps just refuse to sell us oil at any price.

Tin foil hat time.

71 posted on 05/24/2006 8:30:34 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Common Tator

So do you propose that we roll over and surrender? The Senate bill will allow milions of additional aliens, mainly Mexican, into our country which will change the country into something not recognizable to our core population.
If we're going to lose our own country, we might as well go down fighting.


72 posted on 05/24/2006 8:32:20 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: Junior_G

this problem with the illegals have been going on for years, how come he was never this passionate when slick willy was in office; this is nothing but bush bashing, just like "pseudo outrage" over kyoto, slick and gore both talk a good game now but they never pushed for passage when they were in charge and held the cards.


73 posted on 05/24/2006 8:32:35 AM PDT by dubyawhoiluv
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To: You Dirty Rats
Either these Senators are so stupid that they don't realize they are risking losing their cushy jobs and having to go out and work for a living, or Lou is full of it.

The other possibility is most Americans have gotten accustomed to holding their nose and voting for the least undesirable option. Additionally, there are the millions of voters that have given up and don't bother to vote because they don't want to do vote for the best of the worst. If you really think our elected officials are in touch with most Americans on some of these issues simply because they were elected, then I think you are mistaken.

74 posted on 05/24/2006 8:33:16 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Huck

You sound like Clinton. They are not meaningless terms, but likes many others in common use they have been defined in several overlapping ways. You may object to them for whatever reason, perhaps in a wish to have a classless society. Usually their meaning in quite clear when viewed in the context used.


75 posted on 05/24/2006 8:33:16 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Earthdweller

Never watch the guy. Read the article and think he makes some good points. Do you have anything of substance to add?


76 posted on 05/24/2006 8:35:07 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: AZRepublican
Sen. Harry Reid declares that legislation that would render English the national language is racist.

and Thirty-seven Democrats vote for full amnesty for all illegal aliens in this country, ,,, The Senate Republican leadership demands that a "comprehensive immigration reform" plan must be passed before this Memorial Day weekend.

Hey, Bush bashers - vote in the dems direct or by default and learn how to speak Spanish

77 posted on 05/24/2006 8:35:51 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: taxed2death
Just because it might be hard to define does not mean it doesn't exist.

If you can't define it, than it doesn't exist for the purpose of commenting on public policy. Perfectly fine for complaining, though, along with other terms like "the man" and "the establishment".

Example, Dobbs' comment: "And never before has our nation's largest constituent group -- some 200 million middle-class Americans -- been without representation in our nation's capital"

How does he know this is the largest consituent group? How does he know the size, and how does he know what their political disposition in order to determine they aren't being represented?

Every part of this sentence is a meaningless assertion based on nothing but rhetoric as is any assertion based on terms that are as nebulous as class.

So you are saying that there ARE classes

Sure. I'll conced that the terms used to define class "mean something to some people", but since they don't mean the same thing to everyone, mean vastly different things that vary wildly by geography, and consist of many aspects that are largely unidentifiable and unmeasurable, they may as well not exist for the purpose of anything but whining. We may as well argue about the existance of "faith" or "self" and what it means in relation to public policy.
78 posted on 05/24/2006 8:36:22 AM PDT by CertainInalienableRights
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To: taxed2death

Please. Don't get me started on that. I try to avoid criticizing him directly in my posts here, but I'm not happy about his position on that.

We can build that expensive fence from the gulf of Mexico to the west coast for under 10 billion.


79 posted on 05/24/2006 8:36:49 AM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Huck
You say we do not have classes in our society. What nonsense. While there are not sharp lines like in a caste society and instead a continuum with gray areas, there certainly are classes.
80 posted on 05/24/2006 8:38:45 AM PDT by Dante3
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