Posted on 05/23/2006 8:15:29 PM PDT by jbp1
Sir Edmund Hillary expresses regret and indignation over recent incident where Everest climbers allow fellow climber to die.
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I have to agree. Hillary is pretty old now. He was not there. He let some press person give him limited information and then commented on it.
I would need a lot more information to know whether the group that found him was in the wrong.
Unless one stops breathing oxygen and consuming supplies, one's capacity to delay [especially on the way down] could be severely limited.
I'm sure the thin air didn't help their decision-making either way.
I always thought these Sherpas were doing this out of the goodness of their hearts and a sense of adventure. I guess the 35k doesn't hurt either.
Would? She did! The guy's name was Vince. Vince Foster.
If it were me, I would have had to stay and, if nothing else, tried to comfort a person in the last moments of his life.
I know, that's probably the dumbest thing to do with the lack of air, etc. but if it's wrong, it's just another one of my faults.
I don't care to climb any mountain higher than the ones you can find here in Florida.
*Before Florida, my highest mountain "conquest" was Mount Prospect, Illinois. It's so high that you can sometimes see Sears Tower from it's peak, especially in the winter.
It depends. IF this happened in the so called "dead zone" there is a very limited time climbers can survive at that altitude even with oxygen (it is impossible to carry significant amounts of oxygen at that altitude)
More info is needed, but it may be true that nothing could be done. At the extremes of altitude reserves of strength are next to zero, and the idea of carrying anyone or rendering significant physical assistance beyond what is required to get onself down safely is impossible.
Leftist biased Snopes refused to call Hillary a liar over that. They accuse her mom of being the lying B-!*#...
I think it was the party that found Mallory. After locating him they made their own assault, but stopped to save two people they didn't know.
I think we MUST know if that story is true. If true, she is not a US born citizen and is inelligble for the Presidency of this country because the founding fathers were racist nationalists. < /sarc >
Hillary lies outrageously when she says that the rumors that Foster was murdered should have ended “with the sheet of notepaper Bernie found torn into 27 pieces at the bottom of Vince’s briefcase.” She says it was “an accounting of the things that were tearing at his soul.”
There is strong evidence that she knew the note was a forgery. It was mainly about exonerating her and others involved in such White House scandals as Travelgate. It was “found” six days after Foster’s death and four days after White House Counsel Bernie Nussbaum had described everything he took from Foster’s briefcase to a group of Justice Dept. officials, FBI agents and Park Police officers. We are expected to believe that he overlooked 27 scraps of yellow paper at the bottom of the briefcase.
Hillary has apparently forgotten that those scraps of paper were not “discovered” by Bernie, but by assistant counsel Steve Neuwirth. Hillary may have made this error because there is evidence that the original plan was to say Bernie Nussbaum found the note. That was changed to Neuwirth when Hillary viewed the note in Bernie’s office on July 26, 1993. His story was proven false by tests showing that scraps of paper would not fall out of the briefcase held as he said he held it.
Bill Burton, an aide to Chief of Staff McLarty, took notes of what was said at the viewing. One read, “far happier if disc. if someone other than Bernie” with “other” underlined twice. That was why credit for discovering the note was promptly changed to Neuwirth. Hillary evidently feared the note might be exposed as a forgery and she would be implicated if her close friend Bernie “discovered” it. The fact that she was among the first to see it was kept secret for two years. David Margolis, the deputy associate attorney general, testified that her presence in the room would not be of “professional interest” to him. He said it was of interest that Nussbaum, Neuwirth and Burton when questioned by FBI agents conducting an obstruction-of-justice investigation of the note didn’t tell them she was there.
Another Burton note indicated that Hillary had made a comment that suggested that she may have helped compose the forged Foster note. It read, “if concerned about usher’s office discuss w/me.” That refers to an incident mentioned in the note in which she was involved.
There are many indications that Hillary lacked confidence in the forgery. One was the 30-hour delay in turning it over to the authorities. Another was the refusal to release photocopies, blocking for two years any possibility of independent experts exposing the forgery. The most telling is that on the day the note was found, Nussbaum, Neuwirth and Burton remained in Nussbaum’s office working late into the night. Nussbaum’s assistant, Linda Tripp, stayed to help them if needed.
Sharp was, according to reports, about 1000' in altitude from the summit--or at about 28,000 ft--and attempting the summit alone. That is, he wasn't climbing with a team. He had climbed Everest twice before.
Easy to say but, really, next to impossible to do at 28,000 ft.
To be really safe, we each need around 2-3 bottles from C3 to C4 (including sleep), 2 bottles at C4, 4-5 for the summit push and two spares. That totals 12.
If you are up for another attempt you need at least another eight. That totals twenty bottles.
Each cylinder weighs 2.6 kg--or about 5.6 pounds each.
3-liter bottle holds about 720 liters of oxygen.
During the climb, you will vary the flows between 1, 2, 3 or 4 l/m. Even though it is possible, don't go higher than flow 4. Oxygen becomes toxic and dangerous at that rate. The flow set by you will determine the duration of your bottle.
We stated that the bottle holds 720 liters of oxygen. If you breathe from it at the rate of 2 liters a minute - the 720 liters will be gone after 360 minutes. That’s 6 hours.
Should you use 3 liters a minute, the bottle goes in 240 minutes, or 4 hours. At 4 liters a minute, the bottle consequently empties in 180 minutes/3 hours. On the other hand, a flow of one only, will last the bottle for 720 minutes - 12 hours.
So you dont continue your climb, by just sitting there with someone making him comfortable you have 12 hours per bottle right? I'm sorry, there's no way it's ok to just let someone die alone like that.
From what I gather, climbing Everest is the latest craze among rich, bored, spoiled, not-all-that-bright egomaniacs. Not a group that would give much of a rip about others.
Incredibly sad to leave a human to die alone whatever the circumstances.
Amen.
You know you've lost your humanity when you leave another human to die alone because you've got an appointment with your ego.
"Mrs. Clinton is named after him."
Sorry, that's another of her lies. When that first came out, it was realized that she was born more than TWO YEARS before he conquered Everest. In other words, no one had ever heard of Sir Edmund before then but his parents and buds.
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