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Web inventor warns of 'dark' net
BBC News ^ | May 23, 2006 | Jonathan Fildes

Posted on 05/23/2006 2:35:56 PM PDT by Thebaddog

The web should remain neutral and resist attempts to fragment it into different services, web inventor Sir Tim Berners-Lee has said.

Recent attempts in the US to try to charge for different levels of online access web were not "part of the internet model," he said in Edinburgh.

He warned that if the US decided to go ahead with a two-tier internet, the network would enter "a dark period".

Sir Tim was speaking at the start of a conference on the future of the web.

"What's very important from my point of view is that there is one web," he said.

"Anyone that tries to chop it into two will find that their piece looks very boring."

An equal net

The British scientist developed the web in 1989 as an academic tool to allow scientists to share data. Since then it has exploded into every area of life.

You get this tremendous serendipity where I can search the internet and come across a site that I did not set out to look for

Tim Berners-Lee However, as it has grown, there have been increasingly diverse opinions on how it should evolve.

The World Wide Web Consortium, of which Sir Tim is the director, believes in an open model.

This is based on the concept of network neutrality, where everyone has the same level of access to the web and that all data moving around the web is treated equally.

This view is backed by companies like Microsoft and Google, who have called for legislation to be introduced to guarantee net neutrality.

The first steps towards this were taken last week when members of the US House of Representatives introduced a net neutrality bill.

Pay model

But telecoms companies in the US do not agree. They would like to implement a two-tier system, where data from companies or institutions that can pay are given priority over those that cannot.

This has particularly become an issue with the transmission of TV shows over the internet, with some broadband providers wanting to charge content providers to carry the data.

The internet community believes this threatens the open model of the internet as broadband providers will become gatekeepers to the web's content.

Providers that can pay will be able to get a commercial advantage over those that cannot.

There is a fear that institutions like universities and charities would also suffer.

The web community is also worried that any charges would be passed on to the consumer.

Optimism

Sir Tim said this was "not the internet model". The "right" model, as exists at the moment, was that any content provider could pay for a connection to the internet and could then put any content on to the web with no discrimination.

Speaking to reporters in Edinburgh at the WWW2006 conference, he argued this was where the great benefit of the internet lay.

"You get this tremendous serendipity where I can search the internet and come across a site that I did not set out to look for," he said.

A two-tier system would mean that people would only have full access to those portions of the internet that they paid for and that some companies would be given priority over others.

But Sir Tim was optimistic that the internet would resist attempts to fragment.

"I think it is one and will remain as one," he said.

The WWW2006 conference will run until Friday at the International Conference Centre in Edinburgh.


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I have never heard of this guy. Is he the real inventor, or is he another ALgore?
1 posted on 05/23/2006 2:35:56 PM PDT by Thebaddog
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The web should remain neutral and resist attempts to fragment it into different services, web inventor Sir Tim Berners-Lee has said.

This guy is a liar. Everybody knows that algore invented the internet.

2 posted on 05/23/2006 2:38:18 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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He's the real deal. He did not invent the Internet...just made it easy to use.


3 posted on 05/23/2006 2:38:25 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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The British scientist developed the web in 1989 as an academic tool to allow scientists to share data.

The internet was developed by a DARPA project, not by some British scientist guy.

4 posted on 05/23/2006 2:43:02 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Thebaddog

No, he actually did something useful. He invented http, the basis for the Web as we know it.


5 posted on 05/23/2006 2:43:36 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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Well, you have to distinguish between the "internet" and the "web". He made the network much more user friendly than before.


6 posted on 05/23/2006 2:44:51 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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But I liked command prompts.

No I did not. That was the dark net if you want to know the truth. Only technophiles could get anything out of it. Which by the way, made it much more satisfying to play with. Ahh Compuserve. Ahh BBS's.


7 posted on 05/23/2006 2:46:47 PM PDT by kinghorse
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No, he is the real inventor.


8 posted on 05/23/2006 2:47:19 PM PDT by auntyfemenist (Card carrying conservative, William F. Buckley fan.)
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He appears to be saying that the status quo should remain the model, and that the market will punish any players who try to establish tiers of access or speed. Fair enough, and I hope he's right, but advocates of "net neutrality" who are advocating legislation are more troubling.


9 posted on 05/23/2006 2:48:50 PM PDT by xlib
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Him and Sir Paul. That's quite a spread of talent for the Commonwealth. And Sir Mick in there as well.


10 posted on 05/23/2006 2:50:03 PM PDT by Thebaddog (Labs Rules! Brilliant!)
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advocates of "net neutrality"

They are some odd ducks, that is for sure.
11 posted on 05/23/2006 2:50:37 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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He's the invetor of the HTTP protocol (WWW), not the Internet which is the TCP/IP protocol.

--- Recent attempts in the US to try to charge for different levels of online access web were not "part of the internet model," he said in Edinburgh. ---

May I reminded "Sir" Timmy that the Internet "model" was US Dept. of Defense related!

12 posted on 05/23/2006 2:50:38 PM PDT by avacado
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The British scientist developed the web in 1989 as an academic tool to allow scientists to share data.

What a crock of Gore. The original concept of the Interent (a packet switching network) began with the U.S Department of Defense's ARPANET in 1969.

13 posted on 05/23/2006 2:51:40 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Thebaddog

AlGore invented the internet... as he would say... "Peace out, Y'all"!


14 posted on 05/23/2006 2:54:13 PM PDT by ketelone
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The real threats to the Internet:
  1. UN control
  2. Taxation of Internet sales
  3. Government imposed fees (taxes)to provide "free" broadband access to less populous areas and other have nots.
  4. Government control of blog sites under campaign finance laws

15 posted on 05/23/2006 2:54:27 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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Recent attempts in the US to try to charge for different levels of online access web were not "part of the internet model," he said in Edinburgh.

I got news for this guy. The US created the internet, not some anonymous geek in Edinburgh.

16 posted on 05/23/2006 3:00:25 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: kinghorse

.. and echomail...


17 posted on 05/23/2006 3:06:11 PM PDT by Uddercha0s
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To: Thebaddog
And of course Google is supporting this effort

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1635115/posts
http://newsbusters.org/node/5477
http://www.baltimorereporter.com/?p=2391

as previously posted...

Something frighteningly ominous has been happening on the Internet lately: Google, without any prior explanation or notice, has been terminating its News relationship with conservative e-zines and web journals.

So Google is supporting a flat internet, but is itself showing internal bias against conservative speech
18 posted on 05/23/2006 3:08:23 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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I read his RFC for the WWW in 1990, and I thought to myself, "and people are just going to contribute all this great content? And interlink it? For free?! Pff! Yeah! In your dreams, hippie!"
19 posted on 05/23/2006 3:11:54 PM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: avacado
Correct.

I don't know exactly where he fits in to the internet but Vinton(?) Cerf was instrumental in its development. I think he's known as the Father of the Internet.

Also, I vaguely recall Mr. Cerf saying that one mistake in the Internet's protocol was only having 4 thing-a-ma-jigs and not more: 000.000.00.0

20 posted on 05/23/2006 3:18:04 PM PDT by rvoitier ("News is what's suppressed. Everything else is advertising.")
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