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To: Sunsong
I look to the resurrection not the crucifiction as the crux of the lesson there. That even in the most extreme case - Love overcomes. Jesus has taught us that Love is the most important thing of all and that not even crucifiction kills Love for it is eternal.

Wow. The resurrection is indeed victory over death and sin, but without the atonement in Jesus' death even the resurrection is meaningless. I have no idea how you came up with which parts of Scripture you would choose to accept and which ones you would toss out. The Resurrection proves Christ's divinity and the veracity of His message. God's love is beyond comprehension, but that does not mean that His word that outlines and describes that love is full of lies. In one of your earlier posts, you cited Jesus' words "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." Do you reject His subsequent words to the adultress "Go and sin no more"?

If you choose to gamble your eternal soul on the notion that "God is Love so he won't condemn my sin" then you do so at your own peril. Jesus paid for your sin, but it appears that you think He just died because the people didn't understand and couldn't stand Him for His holiness, and somehow believe that there was no need for anyone to pay the price for your sin. If that is the case, I believe you are going to be very surprised when you finally meet Him face to face. (I think we will disagree on this, but on that day Jesus will not really be very concerned with either your opinion or mine on the matter -- only with the Truth that He has revealed in His Word and what was your response to that Truth.)

332 posted on 05/24/2006 1:23:29 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember


The modern gospel of relativism is totally false. It is evil, and it leads people to tolerate evil and to do evil. It is the kind of thing that Paul was speaking of when he wrote, "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ" (Colossians 2:8). J. Morrison


335 posted on 05/24/2006 1:30:58 PM PDT by dcnd9
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To: VRWCmember


The modern gospel of relativism is totally false. It is evil, and it leads people to tolerate evil and to do evil. It is the kind of thing that Paul was speaking of when he wrote, "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ" (Colossians 2:8). J. Morrison


336 posted on 05/24/2006 1:31:01 PM PDT by dcnd9
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To: VRWCmember
As I said, we would probably disagree about the crucifiction and resurrection. That is fine. I still pray for you that you will open your heart more and more to love and forgiveness find condemnation and attack less and less attractive.

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." Do you reject His subsequent words to the adultress "Go and sin no more"?

Much has been made on this thread about that part of the message "go and sin no more" - and I do think that Jesus said those words or something very much like them. And I think that He continues to say them to you and I alike - "do not throw stones at others - no one has condemned you - neither do I - go and sin no more."

For me, yes, I want to live as closely as possible as I can to that which I believe is right and good - as do you as I understand what you are saying. And that means for me - do not condemn and attack others. Do not consciously harm - but instead help.

I believe that it is helpful for some people to have a lot of "rules" to guide their behavior. I have no problem with that. I have a problem with people who want me to live by their rules - especially when they aren't even living by their own rules and guidelines(g).

My view is that the two great commandments are enough if they are truly followed. For others it may be more helpful for them to have much more to think about - say for example Moslems who have so much of their entire lives determined as to what they are *supposed* to do in this circumstance and that circumstance etc. And I would not take that away from them. But, I would confront their desire to condemn and attack others - just as I would do here - with *by the book * Christians or Buddhists or those of other or no religions.

343 posted on 05/24/2006 2:06:04 PM PDT by Sunsong
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