Posted on 05/23/2006 1:58:25 PM PDT by NYer
Here's the key question: is the sinner trying to repent and be reconciled to God and to the Church? Or is the sinner asking for the moral standard to be abandoned and sin itself to be redefined as acceptable?
Anyone who carried a banner calling for the acceptance of a grave moral wrong (e.g. "Shoot illegal aliens") would be asked to put down their banner and repent. If they're not interested in repenting ---being freed from their sin--- then they are using the house of God for an ungodly purpose.
Then when they refuse to leave?
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how about when the stand in front o f other parishoners to block THEM from recieving communion?
Should the candle salesman/lady advise the sash wearer they may not wear the sash in the church?
To them Love = Justification that Same Sex is OK
We know different. Sunsong is a lost soul.
I answered that, call the police. What do you suggest?
As for your saying you believe in some things but not in others . . . I suppose you think you can pick and choose from what you want and reject as 'changed for political reasons' the stuff you don't agree with. But that's no basis for textual analysis.
Sorry, the Bible is not a Chinese menu.
. . . like my dear husband, who was head usher at our old ECUSA church. He has a nose for trouble and an imposing presence (6'6", 250#). He had a gaggle of ex military types that he could call on in case of trouble with a wink and a nod. The only troublemakers we ever had there found themselves outside without any clear idea of how they got there, and it was all done gently and without any violence.
Because the Church is a sacred place of worship, and if they come into there to push a political agenda and disrupt my worship, then we've got a problem.
And they're unrepentent sinners disrupting me at that. I can't see why you care so much?
You are free to believe what ever you want. Would you like us to say that back and forth over and over and you say how right you are and me say how wrong you are. I don't see the point.
You are never going to have everyone agree with you. It's not going to happen. Look at how many differnt *versions* of Christianity there are. You may get some little negative ego hit in putting down the way I see things. You have your reward if you make that choice. There are plenty of things I could say about your beliefs but have chosen not to. I think you are wrong and I am right. I prefer my beliefs to yours. Get over it.
But don't criticize the folks who don't see it your way.
(i.e. you started it, don't fuss about negative ego hits and putting people down.)
And your answer is that they *deserve* it because the church is a sacred place and they are unrepentent?
So, what if you found out that your neighbor was a continual sinner - say a drug addict - some kind of over the counter pain killer or something like that - and he was unrepentent. Would that bother you as much? Or does it bother you a lot if a man who is cheating on his wife goes to church every Sunday like Bill Clinton did?
You don't need to answer these questions - this thread is pretty much done now. But I wonder why such intense feelings for homosexuals? That's why I *care* so much about it.
oh, you are wrong again. I will absolutely criticize folks who don't see it my way. Just as you do and everyone on this thread does. No need to try for a double standard. That will result in a quick no sale.
I came onto this thread because there was so much hatred being expressed and I wanted to see if people would be honest about it. There is some reason that folks here are obsessed with homosexuals and it is NOT because it is a sin or because they flaunt their sins. It is something deeper. I was hoping someone would be honest about it.
When did C.S. Lewis convert? I believe you are mistaken about him.
Do you prevent anyone with the homo-sash from even entering the church?
Tell them to go when they first enter the narthex of the church? I would say yes.
see Narnia
Lewis was raised Church-of-Ireland (i.e. Anglican) in Belfast. So Catholicism was a big no-no, and that stuff you learn early is hard to shake. The fact that he was able to be friends with J.R.R. Tolkien is a triumph of good will and charity over upbringing.
Lewis's view were theologically very "high", although he didn't like to discuss the low-middle-high divisions within Anglicanism. He might have eventually become a Catholic, but for his upbringing and the remaining prejudice against Catholics in England even in the 30s and 40s.
But the Bible teaches, and all the various Churches clearly taught until very recently, that homosexuality is objectively disordered and a grievous sin . . . now some churches have decided to go with the Zeitgeist (always the easy road). The MCC, the leader in this thinking, wasn't founded until the late 60s or early 70s.
Rather than worrying about "hatred" (and if you think real hatred has been expressed on this thread, you have led a sheltered life), I think it would be more productive to ask yourself why, suddenly, so many people calling themselves Christians have swerved into something that was so clearly and uncompromisingly declared to be sinful by ALL Christians until very, very recently.
Hey there old FRiend! Thanks for your explanation. I did think he was referring to a conversion from the C.O.C. to the R.C.C. of both Chesterson and Lewis.
Jim, this poster has not only spent dozens of posts trying to incite anger and negative behavior unbecoming to FR, the poster has called anyone not bowing out of her way 'hateful' and now everyone is lying to her by not telling her what she wanted with her agenda of agitprop. Is that abuse of posting privileges, Sir?
Alright – I’ll take your word for it – but only because you mother is a dancer(g).
Rather than worrying about "hatred" (and if you think real hatred has been expressed on this thread, you have led a sheltered life), I think it would be more productive to ask yourself why, suddenly, so many people calling themselves Christians have swerved into something that was so clearly and uncompromisingly declared to be sinful by ALL Christians until very, very recently.
I am talking about hatred not rage or violence. Once you’re in that emotion it’s real and it’s real on this thread.
If these are any way near accurate they answer your question:
>>>…"Americans by and large consider themselves to be Christian, but when you try to drill down to figure out what they believe, you find that among those who call themselves Christian, 59 percent don't believe in Satan, 42 percent believe Jesus sinned during his time on Earth, and only 11 percent believe the Bible is the source of absolute moral truth," said Mr. Barna, a conservative evangelical who regards these as troubling indicators…<<<
My question remains unanswered – why are so many here obsessed and so hateful? I have my theories. A certain part of the fundamentalist community are really in a retreat to the past modality right now. I suspect that is a part of it. But I think there is more to it than that.
Because they're flaunting their sinning and pushing an agenda.
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