Environmental tobacco smoke linked to behavior problems in children and pre-teens

Eurekalert ^ | 04/30/06 | Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center

[elkfersupper]

when it comes to defenseless children in a smoker's home.

I smoke and my children ceased being defenseless shortly after they became mobile.

Within a generation, they will be among your rulers, and they agree with me.

Make your peace.

[Gabz]

Actually you posted a mess of propaganda that did not address the core question........There has been an increase of behaviorial problems with children, at the same time that smoking rates among parents (and adults in general) has been declining on a regular basis.

I know why my child has been having problems in school of late - she's bored out of her mind. It has nothing to do with exposure to SHS. The same is true for the daughter of my closest frined. And that child only encounters SHS when she is at her grandma's house or in mine.

[Gabz]

And no, you're not weird--semi-normal in my book.

Bless you.......I venture to say your wife appreciates that attitude :)

Besides, who wants to shop for 5 hours when you can be constructive and be on a conservative forum for that long instead? :)

I, however have some serious doubts about this forum being conservative.......I've dealt with far too many folks today WHO HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE "NANNY STATE"

Sorry for shouting, but that's how I feel.

And now I'm going to make my date with my pillow and maybe I will resume this conversation sometime tomorrow........but that's very iffy, as I have far too much to do tomorrow.

[Old Professer]

Looks like everybody got away from the study itself and went off on their own favorite rants.

What hasn't been broached yet is this statement from the article:

"In the United States, about 25 percent of children are exposed to environmental tobacco smoke in their own homes, yet more than 50 percent of children have detectable levels of cotinine in their blood, according to Dr. Yolton."

This is important for many reasons, but one is that of all the children in the study one half had measurable amounts of the tobacco marker and one half of that number did not live with adults who smoked so where did they get it?

Couldn't have been at school, smoking is not allowed. How about the neighbor's house? The authors chose to ignore this. Were they smoking themselves and thereby destroying the controls? The authors chose to ignore this as well.

Then there is this rather Alice in Wonderland reasoning:

Students who were hyperactive and tested positive for cotinine were said to have a behavioral disorder; those students who were very quiet and subdued and tested positive for cotinine were said to be suffering from depression, a disorder.

Now we have 50% of the control group that tested positive for cotinine while only 25% were in the constant company of adult smokers and we have half of the 50% diagnosed with hyperactivity and the other half diagnosed with depression and we still have 50% of the total control group with no reported behavioral traits whatsoever.

What we really have is no study at all, but we do have a big quarrel masquerading as argument.

[elkfersupper]

Excellent post, professor.

[Old Professer]

ping

[TKDietz]

What a load of poo.

[mysterio]

It took you that many words to admit you can't explain why decreasing smoking rates corresponded with an increase in teenage rebellion despite your fake study claiming otherwise? Thanks for playing.

[Mears]

Bad smoking parent here,Moonman 2.

No problems with the 5 kids,asthma or behavioral.

Just more insanity from the smoke-hating crowd.

[Mears]

As my Irish mother-in law used to say about people like you,"That boyo is full of himself".

A real,honest-to-goodness do gooder right here on FR.

Don't break your arm patting yoourself on the back.

[Madame Dufarge]

Is this similar to the lack of consequences for folks who willfully smoke around children?

What consequences would you suggest?

Go ahead, say it.

[SheLion]

Thanks Shelion you said it so much better then I could have.

Well, thanks!!! :)

But I found out that I have very low tolerance for fellow FReepers when they come into the smoking threads and bash us!  I mean, aren't we supposed to be on the same side in here???!!!! 

[Gabz]

Extremely well put, friend.

[SheLion]

We know for sure that for at least two people on this thread, behavioral problems consist entirely of not living your life to their exacting standards.

I know.  I hear ya metesky.......

We know for sure that for at least two people on this thread, behavioral problems consist entirely of not living your life to their exacting standards.

I know.  I hear ya metesky.......

[markman46]

But I found out that I have very low tolerance for fellow FReepers when they come into the smoking threads and bash us! I mean, aren't we supposed to be on the same side in here???!!!!

You would think so, but there has been a whole lot of bashing going on here of late. :-(

[383rr]

Super post.
You really laid the smack-down with that one.

[383rr]

You know what they have in mind. And they think they're "helping the children".

Hitler had alot of these anti programs, too. They targeted, and ostracized people in the same way.
He really helped the "children", didn't he.

[SheLion]

You would think so, but there has been a whole lot of bashing going on here of late. :-(

That's one reason I never go over to the Yahoo Smoking Boards because the anti's are mean and hateful and I see enough of them right here on our own forum to last me for months.  I am not a glutton for punishment but some of our own FReepers really trash the Freeper that smoke.  Just seems a bit sad that they can't separate the Republican/Conservative beliefs just because they hate smokers.

There has to be some tolerance among us, you know it?  I would NEVER talk to another FReeper the way these FR anti's talk to us because we use a legal product.

Just sickening.

[383rr]

You brought up a good point in this post.

"just seems a bit sad that they can't separate the Republican/Conservative beliefs just because they hate smokers."

Anyone, who demands legislation be brought forth that basically, at it's core destoys private property-rights , causes more TAXATION, and destroys freedom of choice regarding a LEGAL product, IS NO CONSERVATIVE.
Now, they might be a republican, but they are no conservative.

They can squall all day long how conservative they are, but I ain't buying their BS anylonger.

[CSM]

"....the findings most likely could be extrapolated..."

In other words, they made it up.