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Fannie Mae Manipulated Accounting (Trading Halted)
ap ^ | Tuesday May 23, 2005 | Marcy Gordon

Posted on 05/23/2006 9:17:32 AM PDT by AdamSelene235

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To: AdamSelene235
As a shareholder of different stocks, I have the tendency to vote against executive compensation especially if the company is doing bad. It also depends on how they treat the rank & file workers.

In the company I work for, for the past almost 5 years, our pay raises were around the 2 to 3% range. One time before the company stock proxy came out, we had an all hands meeting and were were admonished to vote for better money for executives and management on our stock proxy. I voted NO on it especially with the miniscule pay raises we got.
41 posted on 05/23/2006 10:47:28 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: pbrown; ovrtaxt

Jamie Gorelick of FBI "Able Danger" and 9/11 comission fame wrote the legal guidelines for Fannie Mae.

She was an ACLU porn lawyer before becoming a Clinton appointee and justice dept official.


42 posted on 05/23/2006 10:58:34 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: RexBeach
I wonder what Mr. Raines did with his ill-gotten bonus money?

... and how much of it he had to kick back and to whom ...

43 posted on 05/23/2006 11:32:58 AM PDT by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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To: AdamSelene235

POP!"...


44 posted on 05/23/2006 11:45:40 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

RAINES= Prison


45 posted on 05/23/2006 11:49:18 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make The Call.....pitchforks and lanterns.!)
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To: AdamSelene235

Raines will never join Lay, Kowalski, and the guy from Worldcom as the poster boys for unethical business for one obvious reason. Of course, one is not allowed to say what it is.


46 posted on 05/23/2006 12:06:47 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: caryatid

You don't think old Franklin kept his? Do you suppose he kept it in his freezer?


47 posted on 05/23/2006 12:36:52 PM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: trubluolyguy

This was Democrat (meaning socialist) hacks and operatives who plundered Fanni Mae. Not businessmen.


48 posted on 05/23/2006 2:33:50 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: SAJ
Freddie is the next shoe to drop. They're levered out the wazoo

I looked at the equity to debt ratios and fannie is levered 10 times more than freddie from what I can tell.

49 posted on 05/23/2006 9:14:54 PM PDT by staytrue (Moonbat conservatives-those who would rather have the democrats win.)
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To: staytrue
Wouldn't doubt it for a moment...officially.

May I, in the friendliest way possible, suggest that you read up on the FTCM debacle in 1998 (couple of good books, not to mention an article or two of mine(g!)).

The lesson to be learned here, aside from internal corruption (which, oddly enough, LTCM weren't, they were straight-as-a-string traders until they got in over their heads), is this:

When it comes to portfolios that are heavily involved in high-leverage derivatives, ordinary business school stats such as debt-equity are 100% meaningless. Why? Because neither potential debt nor actual equity can be measured by any 'hard' methodolgy. One must deal (perhaps undesirably) with econometric models, and therefore the solvency of any such enterprise as these is dependent ENTIRELY on the accuracy of the model in use.

If overgearing (over-leveraging, in American English) can kill off an organisation of the smartest men, best traders, and finest theoreticians in the history of the world, then it can and will, one day, kill off a bunch of mediocre MBAs who couldn't find work in the private sectore, and almost surely much more quickly than such a policy killed off the 'smart guys'.

Fan, Fred, and Sal are all in this boat right now, have been for years AND their leverage has grown over the years, not shrunk (as it EFFING SHOULD HAVE, particularly after March 2000). The yield curve is going against them. These were ill-conceived ''quasi-private'' corporations to start, and they all operate under the **assumption** -- nothing written in law at all -- that if they get BIG enough, and subsequently fail, we taxpayers will be on the hook.

Sod them. Fannie was more blatantly corrupt (still is, I daresay), and violated its charter more than Freddie.

And they are both (as is Sallie) far too leveraged to withstand ANY sort of hiccup in their very curious derivatives exposure...absent of course the Regress bailing their sorry asses out with your and my money.

50 posted on 05/23/2006 9:38:56 PM PDT by SAJ (b)
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To: SAJ; RightWhale

I think we could survive a freddie or sallie hiccup. They are much smaller than fannie. If fannie implodes, it could be the end of the world as we know it, depending on exactly how bad a shape fannie is in.


51 posted on 05/23/2006 10:08:55 PM PDT by staytrue (Moonbat conservatives-those who would rather have the democrats win.)
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To: staytrue
Sallie? Sure, survival is not an issue. Freddie? Hmmmmmm, good question. Would be dependent on just how many of their overgeared positions go blooey...but, as a usual thing, when ONE part of a portfolio goes down ''bigtime'', the rest of the portfolio usually follows in short order.

The pure derivatives damage from a Freddie crash would not sink the economy by itself, you're exactly right.

For some reason, though, you seem to omit from your view the very same 'fear contagion' factor that has infamously pushed even a relatively over-supplied WTI mkt above $70/bbl.

(referring to physical futures mkts)...''Bull markets result from fear. Wildly overdone bull markets feed on themselves and the fear of the market participants that they might not be able to acquire the goods they need in future. When fear rules markets, there is no top end.'' -- SAJ, in Trading Options To Win, John Wiley & Sons, 2003.

52 posted on 05/23/2006 10:26:17 PM PDT by SAJ (b)
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To: RexBeach

He paid off Bill Clinton.


53 posted on 11/10/2010 6:22:28 AM PST by dizzyfingers
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