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Bordering on Fraud (Thomas Sowell)
Townhall.com ^ | May 23, 2006 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 05/23/2006 8:25:20 AM PDT by Gordongekko909

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To: zook
Is it an "insult" to decide to offer foreign worker status to a large portion of the illegals currently here (because that would sanction law breaking)? No more than it was to end Prohibition back in the 30s when millions of Americans became lawbreakers.

That comparison also qualifies as an insult to our intelligence.

There is no parallel between AMERICANS taking a drink and INVADERS violating our sovereignty and being rewarded for it with one of the most valuable things on earth: AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP.

21 posted on 05/23/2006 9:02:50 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: from occupied ga

One solution that has been offered is the "Nuclear Option" at the polls for the House for 2006. (Save the Senate for judicial nominees) Allow the Dems to take the House for the next two years as a message if this passes.
(No harm will be done with all the Dems hearings and investigations. That'll keep em busy for the next two years and they'll show their true colors for 2008.)
"They think you're stupid". -Herman Cain


22 posted on 05/23/2006 9:04:42 AM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: Gordongekko909

Great article.He brings up some good points.TS:"Another insult to our intelligence...since we cannot find and deport 12 million people,the only choice left is to find some way to make them legal."That's simply a defeatist attitude propagated by the msm,dims,and pro-amnesty groups.It would take time,but if we secure the border(wall),and begin to deport illegals already here the problem will be solved over time.The big problem is getting everyone from the federal level on down on the same page.


23 posted on 05/23/2006 9:05:31 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: zook

The sad part of all of this is that the Afro-Americans that now do the majority of the concrete and block work and most of the other manual labor in construction will be out of work, replaced by imports that will work for less.


24 posted on 05/23/2006 9:05:56 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: EternalVigilance

You may think my statement was an insult to your intelligence. But dozens of Freepers have been constantly asking me "what part of 'illegal' don't you understand?" Clearly, for them if not for you, the issue is more one of legality than of economics.

For them, my analogy is spot on. In the 30s they'd have been yelling about the kind of precedent it would set to make alcohol legal again.


25 posted on 05/23/2006 9:10:08 AM PDT by zook
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To: ANGGAPO

Except that if the illegals begin "working legally," they'll have to be paid, I assume, some kind of minimum wage, thus leveling the playing field for Blacks.


26 posted on 05/23/2006 9:12:03 AM PDT by zook
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To: zook

I just find a vast difference between CITIZENS taking a drink of alcohol and FOREIGN NATIONALS trashing the sovereignty of the United States and being rewarded for it. Know what I mean?


27 posted on 05/23/2006 9:12:21 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: marron
If they can't, or won't, secure the border, why should we trust them with immigration reform? If they can't, or won't, secure the border, why should we trust them in office at all?

The answer is they won't and you shouldn't. To be honest, I'm reaching a certain point of disinterest in this topic. They've shown their cards and it's obvious how this is going to go down. Whether a bill is passed or not, the effect is the same: Dems will eventually (sooner than later) take permanent power as a result of changing demographics.

Since the debate about the course of this nation is essentially over, there's better things to do like figuring out how to get a piece of the new pie. As any Calif conservative knows, they are no longer even part of the debate. So the real focus in on golf, fishing & surfing.

It will be interesting to see what leisure/entertainment industries/services emerge as the rest of the country gets used to these facts.

28 posted on 05/23/2006 9:14:21 AM PDT by lemura
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To: Clemenza

What about Wal-Mart, Target, etc and Home Dept? I reallly don't know for sure about them, just asking.

Tyson shut down that day the illegals demonstrated and I know there other companies, but can't remember them.


29 posted on 05/23/2006 9:15:03 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
Wal Mart and Target are VERY strict about checking paperwork when hiring employees, the former under strict oversight from the government after hiring an independent contractor that used illegal labor.

Every worker I have met at Targets in New Jersey, New York, or Washington State has at least had the ability to speak basic English, 95% being native born IME.

Not sure about Home Depot, as I never set foot in that sprawling hellhole.

30 posted on 05/23/2006 9:18:00 AM PDT by Clemenza (Populists Socialists, AND YANKEES FANS Will be Shot on Site)
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To: EternalVigilance

Good for you. But let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that you could somehow be persuaded that having 10 million low wage illegal workers in the country was good for our economy. If that were the case, then you wouldn't have a serious problem with decriminalizing their status, right?


31 posted on 05/23/2006 9:19:56 AM PDT by zook
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32 posted on 05/23/2006 9:20:40 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Clemenza

"Not sure about Home Depot, as I never set foot in that sprawling hellhole."

Hey, its a great place to buy concrete and scrap wood.

I don't buy anything else there.


33 posted on 05/23/2006 9:21:52 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Gordongekko909

But when will the glib phrase-mongers stop telling us that the illegals are simply taking "jobs that Americans won't do"?



They won't. The idea is to repeat a lie often enough so that it is eventually taken as fact.


34 posted on 05/23/2006 9:22:03 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: zook

Sowell is usually so right on. Sad to see his reasoning fail here.



Let us not play games. His "reasoning is failing" as you put it, because YOU are on the other side of the issue.


35 posted on 05/23/2006 9:23:58 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: Gordongekko909

Bush has also apparently learned that the word "amnesty" does not poll well. On Monday night, he angrily denounced the idea of amnesty just before proposing his own amnesty program. The difference between Bush's amnesty program and "amnesty" is: He'd give amnesty only to people who have been breaking our laws for many years — not just a few months. (It's the same program that allows Ted Kennedy to stay in the Senate.) -Ann Coulter..


36 posted on 05/23/2006 9:24:35 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: trubluolyguy

And I'm on the other side of the issue because I take issue with his reasoning. So what?


37 posted on 05/23/2006 9:27:51 AM PDT by zook
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To: zook
Good for you. But let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that you could somehow be persuaded that having 10 million low wage illegal workers in the country was good for our economy. If that were the case, then you wouldn't have a serious problem with decriminalizing their status, right?

Our national sovereignty and the value of the rule of law is beyond economic price.

38 posted on 05/23/2006 9:29:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: zook

Except that if the illegals begin "working legally," they'll have to be paid, I assume, some kind of minimum wage



Thus opening the door for a whole new flood of illegals that employers can pay below the minimum wage.


39 posted on 05/23/2006 9:30:22 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: zook

The point being that his reasoning is fine. The idea of you taking exception to it has no bearing on wether his reasoning is failing.


It would be like asking Michael Moore to give a balanced view of conservatives in his next movie.


40 posted on 05/23/2006 9:33:28 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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