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This is a Saudi textbook. (After the intolerance was removed.)
Washington Post ^

Posted on 05/21/2006 7:56:26 AM PDT by floridaobserver

S audi Arabia's public schools have long been cited for demonizing the West as well as Christians, Jews and other "unbelievers." But after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 -- in which 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis -- that was all supposed to change.

A 2004 Saudi royal study group recognized the need for reform after finding that the kingdom's religious studies curriculum "encourages violence toward others, and misguides the pupils into believing that in order to safeguard their own religion, they must violently repress and even physically eliminate the 'other.' " Since then, the Saudi government has claimed repeatedly that it has revised its educational texts.

Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, has worked aggressively to spread this message. "The kingdom has reviewed all of its education practices and materials, and has removed any element that is inconsistent with the needs of a modern education," he said on a recent speaking tour to several U.S. cities. "Not only have we eliminated what might be perceived as intolerance from old textbooks that were in our system, we have implemented a comprehensive internal revision and modernization plan." The Saudi government even took out a full-page ad in the New Republic last December to tout its success at "having modernized our school curricula to better prepare our children for the challenges of tomorrow." A year ago, an embassy spokesman declared: "We have reviewed our educational curriculums. We have removed materials that are inciteful or intolerant towards people of other faiths." The embassy is also distributing a 74-page review on curriculum reform to show that the textbooks have been moderated.

The problem is: These claims are not true

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KEYWORDS: christians; hate; israel; jews; ourfriendsthe; saudiarabia; saudiembassy; saudis; school
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To: Allegra

No. I feel worse.

I would have felt better if you had answered my question in the affirmative.

But you didn't.

But I'll keep in my closed mind that they "condemn terrorism". Now all we need is a definition of "terrorism" and "condemn".

And what they are doing to stop the hate. Or even to criticize the hate.


21 posted on 05/21/2006 9:46:00 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: floridaobserver
The ones I know weren't taught in American schools. They just grew up in a more secular society than those in places like Saudi Arabia and Iran.

You can tell the difference between Shiites and Sunnis when you've been around them a long time, too. Socially, the Sunnis here are more openly laid-back. The Shiites who aren't fundamentalist are a little more reserved about things, but most of them don't have religious hang-ups. I have met a few who do, though. And they maintain distance with us. They're polite, but you can tell they're not friendly towards us.

22 posted on 05/21/2006 9:50:02 AM PDT by Allegra (My Tagline is Humblegunner Approved)
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To: Sabramerican
I suppose if you had refrained from the "cute" comment, I might have answered you in a more serious vein.

Shame, isn't it?

23 posted on 05/21/2006 9:51:12 AM PDT by Allegra (My Tagline is Humblegunner Approved)
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To: Allegra

Not really.

I already hear too much of "Moslems are misunderstood" BS without your contribution.

However, you do seem to be confused. This article and the thread was about Saudis and their hateful influence in particular.

I'm sure there are decent Moslems out there.

That doesn't address the Saudis, who are not decent, and spread hate, and are the main source in funding and ideology for Islamic terror.


24 posted on 05/21/2006 9:57:19 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Sabramerican
If you'll re-read my original post, you'll see that I addressed the Saudis. Right off the bat. In an uncomplimentary fashion.

In fact, if you have read my post properly the first time, perhaps you wouldn't have been compelled to get snippy with me. My post was not inflammatory. I didn't ask anyone to get snippy or snotty.

You made that choice on your own.

Now, wouldn't things have been much more pleasant if you hadn't chosen to go that route? But perhaps you prefer contention.

I really fail to understand that tactic. And I'm grateful that I do.

25 posted on 05/21/2006 10:04:05 AM PDT by Allegra (My Tagline is Humblegunner Approved)
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To: Allegra

The article is about the hate spread by the Saudis and you addressed it with "Saudi Arabians are just weird."

You should have stopped there.

If you wanted to defned that not all Moslems are the same hateful bastards as the Saudis, maybe one, you should have been clearer, and two, your comments would have been more appropriate on a thread about Ayaan Hirsi Ali.


26 posted on 05/21/2006 10:09:23 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Sabramerican
Please don't presume to tell me how to post. I can make those decisions on my own, thank you.

If I want to express, I will express.

If you don't like it, you are cordially invited to go pound sand.

27 posted on 05/21/2006 10:11:38 AM PDT by Allegra (My Tagline is Humblegunner Approved)
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To: Allegra
Saudis are just weird

EIGHTH GRADE

"As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus."

Yeah, that the word. Weird.

28 posted on 05/21/2006 10:14:31 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Allegra

Post as you like. Just don't cry when you're called on what you write.


29 posted on 05/21/2006 10:15:50 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Sabramerican
I just took a peek at your posts. I see that contention tends to be your MO as I suspected.

It must suck to be you. I'm sorry you're so unhappy.

I really am.

I hope things get better for you.

Good night.

30 posted on 05/21/2006 10:19:53 AM PDT by Allegra (My Tagline is Humblegunner Approved)
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To: Allegra

It is important to treat people as individuals. Obviously, there are some great people of all faiths. I am a big fan of Prince Abdullah of Jordan myself.


But the Saudis have using our gasoline money to build up hate schools, not universities and hospitals. When Arafat wanted medical care, he would always go back to Paris.


31 posted on 05/21/2006 10:19:56 AM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: Allegra

Hang on to June. It's my kumbayah month.

In May, Saudis, and anyone who attempts to defend them, p*sses me off.


32 posted on 05/21/2006 10:32:04 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Sabramerican
Whatever, Skippy.

I haven't seen anyone defending the Saudis. Perhaps you'd better get busy looking for them.

33 posted on 05/21/2006 10:35:09 AM PDT by Allegra (My Tagline is Humblegunner Approved)
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To: WillAT
Do our religion books (Christians, in my case)say to go destroy all other religions? To cause harm to thousands? These people are hardcore crazy. :|

You should check out the text books used in the PA schools in the palistinian occupied parts of Israel. And people wonder why the hatered of Jews by the palistinians has never declined... It's because it's fostered by the official government, and taught as gospel to children at the earliest ages.

Mark

34 posted on 05/21/2006 10:35:57 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; ahayes; Alexander Rubin; ...
FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

35 posted on 05/21/2006 10:36:34 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 108-112)
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To: Allegra

Those are good points. I've had a similar experience with Muslims I've met. Very normal people. I think the problem is that a small number of people in any country have a "mind" for fundamentalism, and so the dangers come down to the teachings the fundies are washed in. Here it is proselytism. There it is murder.


36 posted on 05/21/2006 10:39:33 AM PDT by beavus (Hussein's war. Bush's response.)
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To: Allegra
I haven't seen anyone defending the Saudis

That's great. Kumbayah month is starting early.

We agree that the Saudis are indefensible.

And we agree that there are some decent Moslems out there, but they shouldn't be confused with the hateful Saudis.

37 posted on 05/21/2006 10:44:31 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Sabramerican

I am weak-kneed and watery-eyed with relief.


38 posted on 05/21/2006 10:46:00 AM PDT by Allegra (My Tagline is Humblegunner Approved)
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To: Allegra

I remind you that most of the 9-11-01 attackers were saudi arabian.


39 posted on 05/21/2006 10:47:21 AM PDT by Lester Moore (The headwaters of the islamic river of death and hate originate in Saudi Arabia)
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To: Allegra
watery-eyed,/i>

Which would explain your chosen ID name.

40 posted on 05/21/2006 10:49:25 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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