Posted on 05/20/2006 1:16:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Sorry, just want to tack on one last thought: You're goddamn right it's about power. This is politics in the most powerful country in the world. It's not tiddlywinks.
Gang of Fourteen, anyone?
The GOP libs need to ensure that liberal dems are always seen as a threat, because otherwise they lose their raîson d'être. Indeed, I suspect one reason many RINOs are so soft on immigration and election reform is that were it not for election fraud, the political center would be to the right of where it is now. The hard-left Democrats would still serve a purpose, but the left-leaning members of the GOP would lose all their power.
LOL
Just doing my job, sir.
When did he make that promise? I don't remember it.
I suspect that some Republicans may have gone along with it on the theory that the USSC would strike down the bad parts leaving in place the increased personal contribution limits. Dangerous game, given the USSC.
"Sounds like a wonderfull time for GOP candidates to listen to their constituents."
The current situation would never have happened if they had been doing their jobs instead of being yes men and money whores.
Did he promise to veto? I don't remember that. I thought he sort of tiptoed around it in 2000. As his veto record shows, he's deferential to the Congress to a fault.
We would have held the majority even if Specter lost and Jon Kyl -- a solid conservative -- would be the Chairman instead of Specter.
What's the down side to Specter losing?
I hope that you are right and the legal ones -- and only the legal ones -- vote with their head instead of their heart.
Yeah, people knock the gang of fourteen, but here's a couple of points: If you had two choices: make a deal with liberal GOPers which results in getting two SCOTUS picks plus some other picks, or bet on the spinal toughness of Sen. Lott and company, where you puttin' your money? Are you kidding me? So far, I can't see how the gang of fourteen hurt us. Second, how would replacing the 7 lib GOPers with lib DEMs help the situation?
http://albanysinsanity.com/?p=66
G.O.P. Conservatives Topple Veteran State Lawmakers in Pennsylvania
Yes, I posted this the day after the primary.
Russ Diamond started http://www.pacleansweep.com/
He has done a great job firing up the troops, just can't do it here.
*choice between two liberals, one of whom helps keep Republican control of the judiciary committee (just to name one), and one of whom helps to achieve DEM control, then it's a friggin no-brainer.*
A person who gets it. I would like a 100% conservative but voting write ins or third party just puts in the democrat if a conservative doesn't have a chance.
If folks think they have principle doing that, they are kidding them selves.
3/4 of a loaf is better than none. But guess some have never been in the position of not having any loaf so they don't get it.
Several incumbents did indeed lose.
Not identified here by party--in fact, unless I am totally off base, town politicos in Herndon do not typically run under a national party. I admit I do not live in Herndon, but I do live in a neighboring county and my in-laws do live there.
I dont' disagree with the general message in the article and posting, but I think in this case the incumbents were liberal and would better fit under the Democratic label.
If I am wrong, I apoligize for not reseraching enough to find this out.
What's the down side to Specter losing?
Don't pull any teeth you don't have to, Badray. Never know when you might need em. Look, it's really simple. Once the primary was over in PA, you had two choices. A liberal DEM who would NEVER vote with a GOP, and a liberal GOPer who sometimes does. Explain to me the upside of having the DEM instead of Specter. No one's given me that explanation yet. You said no one is suggesting that, but in a race between Specter and a DEM, where you're saying DON'T vote for Specter, who do you suppose is going to win? The Great Pumpkin?
To my mind, the real story of the Osborne primary loss was the general
NON-reporting of the event nationwide.
IMHO, the MSM didn't want a hint leaked out beyond the confines of Nebraska
that a candidate might have lost EVEN PARTLY due to his stance in favor
of illegal immigration.
(in the form of the in-state tuition to children of illegals).
I'm over in Missouri, am a news junky, and didn't hear a peep about
Osborne's defeat until someone posted an article here on the Sunday
following the vote.
Your screenname makes me think of a song---
Hurtin' Albertan with nothing more to lose
Too much oil money, not enough booze
East of the Rockies, and west of the rest
I do my best to do my damnedest
And that's just about all I guess
Not only did we dump these two, and the other dozen or so around the state, in the dust up over the pay raise, we forced them to rescind the raise, we kicked out a SC justice seeking retention (and almost got a 2nd one), AND 30 other decided not to face the voters again and won't be running. 65 more face challengers in the fall. It's possible that we can have a turnover of 1/3 or more in the course of one year.
The bad news is that some good people got washed out in that tide, but I still think that we did the right thing.
This would be productive if they would get mad enough to run in the primaries but it sounds to me that they're more likely to stay home or vote Third Party, neither one of which does anything to advance our cause.
Who are your reps? Are they all RINO's?
It can keep good people in the chairmanships of committees, blocking bad legislation or advancing good legislation.
Maybe that's it. In all fairness, I actually voted 3rd party in the presidential race in 2000. The guy's slogan was "No Regrets", but just the opposite occurred. It was a pointless vote. I was young and foolish, and I learned my lesson. So it's not as if I'm extremely comfortable with even what passes for conservative in DC.
But I've accepted the fact that the only legitimate choice occurs in the GOP primary. After that, you just have to suck it up, unless you somehow think DEMs in power would be better. Or unless you just want to drop out and concede the whole thing.
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