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To: NormsRevenge

Why is it after 200+ years of being a Nation that we want to now have an official language? We survived Germans, Dutch, Swedish, Italian etc with English intact, so why cant we survive Spanish?


30 posted on 05/19/2006 1:33:02 PM PDT by aft_lizard (....)
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because they had a reason to integrate and learned to speak english.

The liberal, politically correct policies in this country now states that the US needs to integrate to the immigrants, not the other way around.




105 posted on 05/19/2006 1:48:20 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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Because the Germans, Dutch, Swedish, and Italians had to follow US Imigration laws to get here, and so they came in at a controlled rate. They also came here because they wanted to be Americans. They didn't come here in droves with the full intentions of turning around and going back home in a few years.

They did the paperwork and played by the rules to get here.

These ILLEGAL immigrants are NOT the same. They didn't follow our laws to get here. They have no vested interest in our country. They took the shortcut to get here and a lot of them have no intentions of staying.

Apples and oranges.


123 posted on 05/19/2006 1:52:29 PM PDT by ark_girl
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..so why cant we survive Spanish?

Because unassimilatible Mexicans are swarming in by the millions!

156 posted on 05/19/2006 2:01:20 PM PDT by luvbach1 (More true now than ever: Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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Uhhhh....geography? Germans, Dutch, Swedes and Italians couldn't just walk here. They invested heavily to buy passage to start a new life in America. They didn't expect to receive government handouts as soon as the stepped off of the ferry from Ellis Island. They did expect to have to assimilate into American culture to be successful. Mexico, on the other hand...is quite a different story.


223 posted on 05/19/2006 2:15:46 PM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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>>>"Why is it after 200+ years of being a Nation that we want to now have an official language?"

Back then panty-waist liberals didn't require government documents to be published in multiple languages. Plus, we have now seen how countries can be torn asunder when there is little integration of cultures.


224 posted on 05/19/2006 2:15:52 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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"Why is it after 200+ years of being a Nation that we want to now have an official language? We survived Germans, Dutch, Swedish, Italian etc with English intact, so why cant we survive Spanish?"

Current and anticipated proportionality and the failure of assimilation.
235 posted on 05/19/2006 2:19:42 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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"Why is it after 200+ years of being a Nation that we want to now have an official language? We survived Germans, Dutch, Swedish, Italian etc with English intact, so why cant we survive Spanish?"

If I remember correctly, the U.S. Government never printed forms in Germen, Dutch, Swedish, Italian, etc. Also, I don't remember having 12 million German or Italian illegals at any one time.


277 posted on 05/19/2006 2:31:46 PM PDT by BW2221
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We survived Germans, Dutch, Swedish, Italian etc with English intact, so why cant we survive Spanish?

Because multiculturalism wasn't a secular religion when European immigration was at its zenith. Now we pay homage to the "otherness" of other cultures, and many non-English speakers have no reason, nor are they expected, to speak English, whereas it was an absolute necessity for non-English speaking Europeans to learn, in order to advance economically and socially.

302 posted on 05/19/2006 2:43:47 PM PDT by browardchad
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The south of the border culture, latino culture, is quite different than previous European immigrant group and quite different from Latino immigrant groups from generations ago.

The new Latino does not want to assimilate or conform, the new Latino wants others to conform to its ways.

There are 3rd generation Latinos that do not speak English or speak very little. The reason is the new Latino has demanded under civil rights and other legislative provisions, that schools, hospitals and government offices be Spanish speaking. There is no need to learn English for the bulk of the new Latino population.

Many examples:

Police officers denied promotion because they don't speak Spanish, even when the jurisdiction they are performing under is multilingual with Latino being the smallest group, for example the Korean community in Los Angeles.

Physician residency positions. These are competitive positions that are funded via Medicare/Medicaid. Every year there is a match. The new Latino through affirmative action or 'bridges' programs, demands that physician residents speak Spanish. Case in point in Seattle there is one clinic where all Latinos go to. It is a public clinic open to all groups but the new Latino has took it over by numbers and required that doctors, staff and doctor residents speak Spanish.

No other culture demands that Spanish be spoken as a condition of employment in a general public position. There is one exception though it did not involve language, in Jericho NY many years ago there was a training medical clinic that was completely staffed by people from India even though all the training positions were competitively open. It was a clear case of discrimination against non-Indian applicants. That clinic was shutdown as a result of a discrimination lawsuit.

These anecdotes carry over also to teachers, school administrators, government jobs such as social security office clerks and on and on.

In King county Washington State, the most prevalent ethnic groups other than Caucasian, are Russian, Ukrainian and Eastern European. Yet Washington Mutual Bank provides services in English and Spanish.

Non-Latino ethnic groups complain that the new Latino population should assimilate by learning English just as they have to. They view as unfair that Latinos demand Spanish speaking services even as Latinos are proportionally small.

The new Latino is similar to Muslim groups in that they resist assimilation and demand their ways be adopted.

What happened in France with Muslim groups is very similar to the problem of the new resistant Latino in the USA.

The new Latino demands Spanish to gain position for power and as a means of discriminating against Caucasians.

The new Latino is clever in knowing how to 'game' the system. Demand for speaking Spanish is part of their game.



398 posted on 05/19/2006 3:37:04 PM PDT by Hostage
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Why is it after 200+ years of being a Nation that we want to now have an official language? We survived Germans, Dutch, Swedish, Italian etc with English intact, so why cant we survive Spanish?

If you have to ask, it is hard to bite my tongue and not get personal. Let me put it this way...

How many ballots, for use by American citizens, have you seen or heard of, in all of U.S. history, that were required by law to be printed in German, Dutch, Swedish and Italian in the United States of America?

401 posted on 05/19/2006 3:38:53 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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Why is it after 200+ years of being a Nation that we want to now have an official language? We survived Germans, Dutch, Swedish, Italian etc with English intact, so why cant we survive Spanish?

All the former learn to speak English. If your family, neighbors, friends, jobsite, and your TV and radio are all in Spanish then there is no need to learn English!

423 posted on 05/19/2006 3:55:28 PM PDT by anglian
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"Why is it after 200+ years of being a Nation that we want to now have an official language? We survived Germans, Dutch, Swedish, Italian etc with English intact, so why cant we survive Spanish?"

Why? The Germans, Dutch, Swedish an Italians did not intend to make the US a colony of their nations of origin. The Mexicans are in the process of taking back the southwest which they believe was taken from them. They intend to take over the country. Our culture goes out to be replaced by theirs. Starting with the language.

My wife just returned from a trip to visit family in Dodge City and Garden City Kansas. Both towns are over run by Mexicans and many signs are in English and Spanish. How many signs are in English and German, or English and Italian? See the difference? This is NOT about immigration. It is a flat out invasion. They do not intend to become Americans, they intend to turn the culture into a Mexican culture within which the rest of us will live, at their pleasure. They have already made significant progress.


477 posted on 05/19/2006 4:55:54 PM PDT by vigilo (Everything I needed to know about George Bush and the Republican Party I learned from CFR.)
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"Why can't we survive Spanish?
Because ther're so many of 'em here and on the way that we're being overun.


505 posted on 05/19/2006 6:48:02 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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You posted: "We survived Germans, Dutch, Swedish, Italian etc with English intact, so why cant we survive Spanish? "

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536 posted on 05/19/2006 9:46:10 PM PDT by eazdzit (Register Independent CROSS OVER IN THE PRIMARIES!!! VOTE AGAINST CFR, NWO, GLOBALIST RepuboCrats !!)
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