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I'm not sure what I think about this provision. I dislike Davis-Bacon, but if employers are required to pay top dollar for guest workers, might that not mean they will use American workers instead?
1 posted on 05/19/2006 12:03:09 PM PDT by Altair333
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If employers ignore the immigration status of workers already, they will just ignore this provision as well.


2 posted on 05/19/2006 12:04:45 PM PDT by dirtboy (When Bush is on the same side as Ted the Swimmer on an issue, you know he's up to no good...)
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This is just ridiculous! That would make illegals make more than many of our employees where I work!


3 posted on 05/19/2006 12:05:58 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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I forgot to mention- this is a very promising blurb here in the article:

"While the White House is banking on winning House approval making new border enforcement measures contingent on legalizing millions of illegals, House Republicans remain firmly opposed to any amnesty and are confident that Hastert will not permit a bill that a majority of his party opposes to reach the floor."

- end quote -

The most powerful man by far in this country when it comes to the immigration bill is Dennis Hastert. He gets to name the House members of the reconciliation committe and he decides if the eventual bill gets brought to the floor.

Basically, he decides the whole thing because there are enough RINOs plus Dems in the House to pass the Senate bill.


4 posted on 05/19/2006 12:06:01 PM PDT by Altair333 (Red Rover, Red Rover, Send Mexico Right Over)
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might that not mean they will use American workers instead?

Yes, they likely would. Maybe it could be a good idea after all, but I doubt this was what was on the mind of those backing it.
5 posted on 05/19/2006 12:08:09 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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Can we get the majority of the Senate tested for insanity?
6 posted on 05/19/2006 12:09:39 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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...if employers are required to pay top dollar for guest workers, might that not mean they will use American workers instead?

I was about to fly into a rage over this until I read your post, and now I'm laughing. What an excellent catch! Every "guest worker" would be out of a job.

8 posted on 05/19/2006 12:11:12 PM PDT by American Quilter
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"I'm not sure what I think about this provision. I dislike Davis-Bacon, but if employers are required to pay top dollar for guest workers, might that not mean they will use American workers instead?"

It's clever. It will kill the business lobbies ardor since the whole purpose is to depress wages of Americans.

But we don't need an extra guest worker plan.

As for the unions, the AFL-CIO says they support amnesty for illegals already here. Part of the policy reasoning was the fantasy they would get to unionize them. They were suckers, more illegals would still come. They are quite naive.

But the AFL-CIO did come out against the extra, new "guest worker" plan. That would legalize more wage depression beyond new illegal immigration. Here is an attempt to kill it.

The Democratic party is in a bind. Their corporate benefactors have framed Amnesty+ as an issue of anti-racism and caring for their upper class members, MSM and the chattering classes. Look at the chats and blogs, near silence of any discussion of the economic effects on American citizens and residents. The unions are a tricky bunch though. They've been deceived about the globalization project, just now waking up.

Another reason to be against this is it just adds more bureaucracy.

Juicing the Domestic labor pools to squeeze out new profits is an expensive business, but the lobbies won't bear the costs.


11 posted on 05/19/2006 12:15:23 PM PDT by Shermy (Ronald Reagan was man enough to call an Amnesty an Amnesty.)
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I'm not sure what I think about this provision. I dislike Davis-Bacon, but if employers are required to pay top dollar for guest workers, might that not mean they will use American workers instead?

That's what I was thinking. And you know, that's probably why the unions are demanding it.

12 posted on 05/19/2006 12:15:47 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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I'm not sure what I think about this provision. I dislike Davis-Bacon, but if employers are required to pay top dollar for guest workers, might that not mean they will use American workers instead?

Given that the majority of illegals, particularly in construction and labor, housekeeping and other lower-mid- skill jobs are working under the table, this rule will do little.

As an aside issue, I think that Davis-Bacon ought to be repealed, not expanded. The liberals and RINOs are loving this. They're throwing every possible taxpayer-funded give-away to the illegals that they can think of, in hopes that it will appeal to Americans. Disgusting.

13 posted on 05/19/2006 12:16:02 PM PDT by meyer (Permanently boycott all businesses that close for the May 1st illegal alien march!)
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This is the dem version of a poison pill. They'll probably be willing to negotiate it away for "amnesty" of some sort, but I can't see the RINO one-worlders signing up for this.

I would not be surprised to see a dem amendment in the Senate that calls for severe criminal/civil penalties for the hiring of illegals...coupled with substantial funds for enforcement.

The RINOs and Dems only THINK they have a compromise bill at this point, but their REAL motives are totally different. The Dems want voters and increased welfare rolls, the RINOs want cheap labor to support agriculture, construction and hospitality. However, now that the Unions and the Right are tu5rning the screws on their respective party members in the Senate I'm pretty sure this whole mess will blow up.

It'll be the RINOs left holding the bag...the right WILL NEVER FORGET...the left will forgive and forget.

16 posted on 05/19/2006 12:18:43 PM PDT by Mariner
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There's little chance of this provision ever being enforced.

What were there, 3 workplace immigration-violation prosecutions last year?


19 posted on 05/19/2006 12:23:22 PM PDT by RodgerD (Reject the Immigration Explosion Act of 2006. No to 100 million new aliens.)
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Davis-Bacon is one of the worse laws we have. Many local governments are doing services/jobs formerly done by private contractors because they can do it cheaper. In many instances, governments can avoid paying Davis-Bacon, bypass the bidding process, not pay many mandated charges like unemployment costs, etc. Governments can also buy cheaper because many manufacturers give government discounts, etc. So, in the end, government becomes a competitor with private industry simply by legislating laws they can avoid. Davis-Bacon is a terrible law for all.


20 posted on 05/19/2006 12:40:28 PM PDT by caisson71
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Regardless of what you think of Davis-Beacon, or if you try to assign strategic thinking to any of these senators (which I don't think most are capable of), this was a blatant attempt to protect illegals. Nothing more nothing less. It is just one more example of the Senate's disregard for the American worker and their regard for Mexico's citizens.


21 posted on 05/19/2006 12:45:26 PM PDT by sheana
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Ahhhh, the irony of it all.

:)

Imagine, "guest workers" costing more than American citizens.

I'm all for it.

To the whiners that say Americans don't work as hard as the "guest workers"...GREAT.....you want workers that work HARDER, you pay more for them. This is just toooooo funny.

This will definitely go a long way in helping the legit / law abiding business owner compete on an even playing field....provided the goobermint stops the arterial bleeding at our borders.

Flame on.
22 posted on 05/19/2006 12:47:52 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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I have stood up and agreed with Bush on most everything but not this immigration issue."Illegal immigration"is actually the second part of NAFTA to bring down western culture.America appears to be a dying country!


26 posted on 05/19/2006 1:04:23 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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I'm not sure what I think about this provision. I dislike Davis-Bacon, but if employers are required to pay top dollar for guest workers, might that not mean they will use American workers instead?

That is the whole stupid thing about the Senate's and the President's plan. By granting illegal aliens amnesty and citizenship then the illegal aliens will be able to demand prevailing wages, benefits, withholding, etc. Their attractiveness as cheap, exploitable labor will disappear. We'll have 12 million un(der)employed newly naturalized "citizens" in our country and there will be 12 million illegal aliens coming in right behind them eager to fill the cheap labor slots and to get eventual citizenship.

27 posted on 05/19/2006 1:07:15 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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What you should think is that the only good thing about the Senate shamnesty bill is that the House seems likely to put a fork in it.


28 posted on 05/19/2006 1:09:08 PM PDT by AntiGuv (How is Mexico our friend?)
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Make them pay double prevailing wage for "guest" workers. That will shut off the jobs really fast.


29 posted on 05/19/2006 1:10:50 PM PDT by mysterio
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So guest-workers (but not citizen workers) must be paid Davis-Bacon wage rates

So it would be cheaper to skip the guest worker and go for the illegal...same as now.
32 posted on 05/19/2006 1:22:17 PM PDT by P-40 (Support Apartheid in Mexico! Hire an illegal today!)
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>>I'm not sure what I think about this provision. I dislike Davis-Bacon, but if employers are required to pay top dollar for guest workers, might that not mean they will use American workers instead?<,

If we don't have some way to pay low wages to legal immigrants and we eliminate illegals then some industries - notably agriculture and meat will go everseas - in other areas it will cause a lot of inflation.


33 posted on 05/19/2006 1:25:18 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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