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To: Almagest

There are many verses in the Bible that may imply unpopularity should be taken as a measure of correctness of theology, so it's easy to see where some get that idea, but keep in mind that these verses were written in times where being a Christian was punishable by stoning. If you're a Christian and you're liked by people seeking to stone Christians, there's something wrong with your beliefs. Just like if you're a Republican and you're liked by Democrats, then there's something wrong with your politics. Common sense, and these verses have very little relevance in America, except perhaps on college campuses.


212 posted on 05/20/2006 9:49:40 PM PDT by Seamoth (Hemocyanin, chlorophyll, and hemoglobin.)
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To: Seamoth


<< There are many verses in the Bible that may imply unpopularity should be taken as a measure of correctness of theology, so it's easy to see where some get that idea, >>


Your further explanation is good -- but there is more at work here. This is very common logical fallacy, beyond the argumentum ad populum I mentioned before.

Let me lay it out logically:

Premise: If our ideas are from God -- God-haters will dispute our ideas and oppose us.

Premise: There are people who dispute our ideas and oppose us.

Conclusions: Those people who oppose us are God-haters, and our ideas are from God.

The conclusions actually reverse the if-then statement:

In logic:

P-->Q (If P is true, then Q is necessarily true).
Q (Q is true).
Therefore, P (P is true).

This is known as "affirming the consequent," and it is a fatal error in logic. P is a sufficient condition for Q, but Q is not a sufficient condition for P.

See it? In this case -- they are saying:

* P->Q = If our ideas are of God ---- then we will be opposed.
* Q = We are opposed.
* Therefore P = our ideas are from God.


This leaves out the possibility that we could be opposed for a lot of other reasons, including the fact that our ideas are NOT from God. Even if it were true that the rightness of one's ideas will cause opposition -- that does not mean that any opposition to one's ideas means that the ideas are right. That is "affirming the consequent."

I hope I have explained this well enough. Apart from the self-delusion involved, it's just flat-out illogical.

Now I await the inevitable response in someone's mind: But God's thinking is far above your man-made reasoning.



213 posted on 05/20/2006 10:03:59 PM PDT by Almagest
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