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To: Seamoth


<< There are many verses in the Bible that may imply unpopularity should be taken as a measure of correctness of theology, so it's easy to see where some get that idea, >>


Your further explanation is good -- but there is more at work here. This is very common logical fallacy, beyond the argumentum ad populum I mentioned before.

Let me lay it out logically:

Premise: If our ideas are from God -- God-haters will dispute our ideas and oppose us.

Premise: There are people who dispute our ideas and oppose us.

Conclusions: Those people who oppose us are God-haters, and our ideas are from God.

The conclusions actually reverse the if-then statement:

In logic:

P-->Q (If P is true, then Q is necessarily true).
Q (Q is true).
Therefore, P (P is true).

This is known as "affirming the consequent," and it is a fatal error in logic. P is a sufficient condition for Q, but Q is not a sufficient condition for P.

See it? In this case -- they are saying:

* P->Q = If our ideas are of God ---- then we will be opposed.
* Q = We are opposed.
* Therefore P = our ideas are from God.


This leaves out the possibility that we could be opposed for a lot of other reasons, including the fact that our ideas are NOT from God. Even if it were true that the rightness of one's ideas will cause opposition -- that does not mean that any opposition to one's ideas means that the ideas are right. That is "affirming the consequent."

I hope I have explained this well enough. Apart from the self-delusion involved, it's just flat-out illogical.

Now I await the inevitable response in someone's mind: But God's thinking is far above your man-made reasoning.



213 posted on 05/20/2006 10:03:59 PM PDT by Almagest
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To: Almagest
Oh, perfectly clear... you do a good job of smashing peanuts with sledgehammers. :-) Wasn't trying to be argumentative, I was adding supplemental background. :-)

Now I await the inevitable response in someone's mind: But God's thinking is far above your man-made reasoning.

Unfortunately (and this applies to all belief systems, not just religion) logical fallacies & excuses ("God's way is not our way" "Communism has never been -really- practiced") is a mechanism for many people to avoid uneasy questions.
215 posted on 05/21/2006 7:45:49 AM PDT by Seamoth (Hemocyanin, chlorophyll, and hemoglobin.)
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