Traders Gun Shop Told to Close June 1(more jackbooted batfe abuse)

http://www.ebpublishing.com/ ^ | 5 18 06 | Jim Knowles

[Richard-SIA]

Would you care to guess how many machine guns ATFE-NFA cannot account for?

ATFE-NFA are responsible for maintaining the NFRTR, which records all the legally owned NFA items in the country. It was unconstitutionally established in 1934, and it's accuracy has been questionable from the beginning.

NFA items records are supposed to be updated every time the item changes ownership, it is the ATFE-NFA's job to keep those records.
ATFE-NFA still shows thousands of NFA items as still being registered to the same person who originally registered them in 1934!

ATFE-NFA have the entire resources of the federal government at their disposal, yet audit's reveal the NFRTR has an error rate of about 5%!

When do we close down the ATFE due to THEIR shoddy record keeping?

Many more details, including congressional testimony confirming my contention above, can be found at http://www.nfaoa.org

[Cobra64]

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[Richard-SIA]

They cannot account for for $1,000,000 they received just two years ago, money SPECIFICALLY appropriated by congress for the sole task of correcting their own records!

[Atlas Sneezed]

Is there even the remotest chance thaat the JBTs are right on this one case?

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In the absence of evidence that any of these "missing" guns ended up in criminal hands suggesting a pipeline or pattern, no.

Typos don't kill, and the ATF record for accurate record keeping is abysmal compared to those they regulate.

[Atlas Sneezed]

This store can't account for almost 2 thousand guns.

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That's ATF spin.

There is a possible paperwork/accounting/typo rate of maybe 1%, with no evidence that anything was stolen, or passed on to criminals.

Can you prove all the tax deductions you took in 1978? Are there gaps in your paperwork?

[RonF]

What's that got to do with this gun dealer?

[Stone Mountain]

My brother-in-law owns a gun shop and I can tell you that "we got the digits misplaced" or "our employees copied the number down wrong" just doesn't cut it, nor should it. He goes through all of his paperwork at the end of the day just to check against stuff like that - he's had many guns from his shops used in crimes and suicides over the years, but he was always able to give registration information to the authorities when they came by. If this gun shop has been selling a bunch of guns without sufficient paperwork, they deserve to be shut down. I'm sure my brother-in-law wants to get home to his family when the shop closes, but he stays at work to double-check everything that was sold that day. It's not unreasonable to expect that a gun shop keep accurate records of the firearms they sell.

I'm going to forward him a copy of this article and will post any comments he replies with.

[Richard-SIA]

The American sense of fairness and equality under the law requires that ATFE not be allowed to pronounce others as deserving to lose their business for poor record keeping when ATFE's own records are WORSE!

As KKKalifornia has found ways to drive ever more dealers out of business Traders has become the only dealer left for a large area.

With such a large area to service it is inevitable that some of their customers will be unsavory, that is not traders fault, all they can do is follow the procedures as best they can.
After all, doesn't the "Brady Law" ensure that no prohibited person would ever lie on a form in order to get a gun from a dealer?

Would YOU like to be held legally responsible for every form every employee you ever worked with ever filled out?

It is time for the entire ATFE/Gun Control sham to be repealed.
Punish the damn criminals for the crimes they actually commit, instead of just chasing the contrived easy picking's to be found in harassing business people!

This case is just more KKKalifornia PC gestapo at work, and they are using ATFE to do it.

[Stone Mountain]

From my brother-in-law who owns a gun shop in Arizona:

There are some guns on my books for which I can't account, but not on anywhere near on that scale.

It's also unusual to have that many crime-scene gun traces, too....one in eight? Ours is maybe one in one hundred, or so.

With that number of guns for which they can't account, and the number of traces, I'd say that this 'Trader's' has some serious operational problems. ATF, in my experience, doesn't go on many fishing expeditions....but they WILL try to close down FFLs who demonstrate problems on that scale.

[traviskicks]

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[CSM]

"...given the fact that it is one of the few large gun dealers still in business in the area..."

Now we know why the ATF is working so hard on this case.

[jmc813]

If Bush is not pro gun then 99% of Americans are not pro-gun.

99% of Americans do not support the idiotic Assault Weapons Ban.

[GingisK]

My guess would be that the gun manufacturers track who they sell their guns to.

I think that your guess is right on the money. There is full accountability through the entire chain of custody. Of all the things I have lost through my aging, I miss my mind the most.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Perhaps that is why it was allowed to expire.

[jmc813]

Perhaps that is why it was allowed to expire.

Are you accusing Bush of lying when he said he supported it?

[justshutupandtakeit]

Spin? Yeah right. Somehow the other gunshops across the land manage to avoid making such egregious errors and do follow the law. ATF operates under federal law.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Not so idiotic as to Bush is not pro 2d amendment or to believe in the Globaloney crap the kooks try and peddle to the gullible.

As I said "you don't even know what a globalist is".

[justshutupandtakeit]

Your link is to an online store.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Stating the truth insults a great many, tough.

[colonialhk]

They are the last one for miles so they are being chased out. Having Oakland right there has contributed to the misuse of the weapons. It is Oakland not Traders that has the problem.