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Still Dodging Immigrations Truths (Samuelson on excessive low-skill immigration)
Washington Post ^ | 5/17/06 | Robert Samuelson

Posted on 05/18/2006 4:20:39 AM PDT by ProCivitas

By Robert J. Samuelson Wednesday, May 17, 2006

President Bush's immigration speech mostly missed the true nature of the problem. We face two interconnected population issues. One is aging; the other is immigration...On the one side will be older baby boomers demanding all their federal retirement benefits. On the other will be an expanding population of younger and poorer Hispanics ... The central problem is not illegal immigration. It is undesirably high levels of poor and low-skilled immigrants, whether legal or illegal, most of whom are Hispanic... Testifying recently before Congress, University of Illinois economist Barry Chiswick -- a respected immigration scholar -- said this of low-skilled immigrants:

"Their presence in the labor market increases competition for low-skilled jobs, reducing the earnings of low-skilled native-born workers. . . . Because of their low earnings, low-skilled immigrants also tend to pay less in taxes than they receive in public benefits, such as income transfers (e.g., the earned income tax credit, food stamps), public schooling for their children, and publicly provided medical services. Thus while the presence of low-skilled immigrant workers may raise the profits of their employers, they tend to have a negative effect on the well-being of the low-skilled native-born population, and on the native economy as a whole."

...seriously compromising our own...by endorsing large "guest worker" programs and an expansion of today's system of legal visas. ... In 1972 Hispanics were 5 percent of the U.S. population and their median household income was 74 percent of that of non-Hispanic white households. In 2004 Hispanics were 14 percent of the population, and their median household income was 70 percent of the level of non-Hispanic whites. These numbers suggest that rapid immigration of low-skilled workers and rapid assimilation are at odds... Competition among them depresses wages. Social services are stretched thin...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; lowskillimmigration; robertsamuelson
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This one was cited and much discussed on both Howie Carr and my beloved Laura Ingraham yesterday. I think it's still linked at both sites. Important facet of the issue: driving down the wages of our fellow Americans through all immigration. If it's not Pro-American, why allow it?
1 posted on 05/18/2006 4:20:42 AM PDT by ProCivitas
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To: ProCivitas
Explain to me how ILLEGAL LOW PAYING immigrants are going to FUND our retirement?

Shouldn't we be encouraging SKILLED LEGAL immigrants?

Bush has it backwards.

Our standard of living is being pushed down with ILLEGALS who will do anything and those that ARE DOING JOBS AMERICANS WANT TO DO. More importantly we are proving that our laws are arbitrary and we REWARD people who break them.
2 posted on 05/18/2006 4:23:47 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: nmh

Even with skilled legal immigrants there are many of the same issues, large corporate interests vying with the interests of US workers. If unskilled immigrants, in excess, depress wages of unskilled Americans, so do skilled immigrants, in excess, depress wages of skilled Americans. Right now we have Tysons wanting illegals to run its chicken plants, but ultimately this is little different from Microsoft importing aliens to run its software factories.


3 posted on 05/18/2006 4:33:22 AM PDT by thoughtomator (A thread without a comment on immigration is not complete)
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To: nmh

Bush is a dimwit, in case you haven't figured it out yet.

If he allows Iran to get the bomb, he will be the worst President we've ever had.


4 posted on 05/18/2006 4:38:29 AM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam)
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To: ProCivitas

I think it's time to settle this aspect of the debate. It is clear that a large influx of Mexicans will be a COST, not a BENEFIT to our economy.


5 posted on 05/18/2006 4:45:11 AM PDT by DManA
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To: nmh
Explain to me how ILLEGAL LOW PAYING immigrants are going to FUND our retirement?

They're not.

What they are going to do, however, is help Americans pay the increasing costs of funding "our retirement" while at the same time enabling us to maintain our very high standard of living.

It's really all that simple, folks.

6 posted on 05/18/2006 4:54:24 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: DManA

They already are costing Americans BILLIONS of dollars, they definitely are not worth it.

And how mnay low paying jobs are there really? Glad you asked!

There aren't that many McDonald minimum wage jobs available what has happened is that the traitors are construction companies, Instead of paying American workers $18.00 per hour and have to abide by the legal costs of hiring people like paying taxes on the people etc the construction companies decided to take the law into their own hands and decided they would rather pay the illegals $18 per hour cash and NOT have to abide by all the rules placed on them by the liberals who set the employment laws to begin with!!

Should companies be allowed to take the laws into their own hands regarding employment laws?

Should construction companies decide whether they want to pay taxes or not?

Because they are paying the exact same amount of money to the illegals under the table they were paying legal residents folks, I know I spoke with an owner of one of the companies.


7 posted on 05/18/2006 4:55:07 AM PDT by stopem (Sorry illegals the jobs are drying up you will be loitering a long time!)
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To: ProCivitas; nmh; thoughtomator; tomahawk; jpsb; Earthdweller; Paloma_55; Wolfie; ...
As between general workers, manager/executives, and 'passive investors': I would prefer to see the first paid substantially more than currently, and the latter two paid somewhat less than currently.

Is that what a 'fair/unimpaired market' would do? What do 'distorted markets' do re such things? How do markets become impaired/distorted?

8 posted on 05/18/2006 4:59:12 AM PDT by ProCivitas (Qui bono? Quo warranto? ; Who benefits? By what right/authority ?)
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To: ProCivitas

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9 posted on 05/18/2006 5:01:13 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Beth528; amihow
As between general workers, manager/executives, and 'passive investors': I would prefer to see the first paid substantially more than currently, and the latter two paid somewhat less than currently.

Is that what a 'fair/unimpaired market' would do? What do 'distorted markets' do re such things? How do markets become impaired/distorted?

10 posted on 05/18/2006 5:08:48 AM PDT by ProCivitas (Qui bono? Quo warranto? ; Who benefits? By what right/authority ?)
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To: Alberta's Child

Your right. Assimilation of immigrants has worked so well in Europe, let's copy it here.


11 posted on 05/18/2006 5:38:38 AM PDT by Tripleplay
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To: ProCivitas
"Their presence in the labor market increases competition for low-skilled jobs, reducing the earnings of low-skilled native-born workers.

Look at the high school graduation rates in this country *now* and tell me where these failed low-skill students are going to work when faced with continued unfettered illegal immigration?
12 posted on 05/18/2006 5:52:27 AM PDT by P-40 (Support Apartheid in Mexico! Hire an illegal today!)
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To: Alberta's Child
while at the same time enabling us to maintain our very high standard of living.

We cannot maintain our standard of living by allowing in uncontrolled numbers of people that cost more than what they pay in. It is really that simple.
13 posted on 05/18/2006 5:54:40 AM PDT by P-40 (Support Apartheid in Mexico! Hire an illegal today!)
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...
The tax increases that will be required to pay for existing federal commitments to the elderly are on the order of 30 to 40 percent. People who don't think there will be conflicts between older beneficiaries and younger taxpayers -- Hispanic or not -- are deluding themselves.
14 posted on 05/18/2006 6:04:33 AM PDT by A. Pole (General Buck Turgidson: "Mr. President... I'm beginning to smell a big, fat Commie rat.")
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To: HiJinx

ping


15 posted on 05/18/2006 6:21:08 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: stopem
they are paying the exact same amount of money to the illegals under the table they were paying legal residents

I've also been told this by ... ahem... people who would know. In fact I've been told that illegal "day laborers" demand the same amount of *cash* wages that would be paid to a legal American day laborer, but with taxes and FICA deductions.

From those anecdotal conversations, it's pretty clear that the "underpaid and abused" illegal alien "day laborer" is a myth, nothing more.

16 posted on 05/18/2006 6:27:05 AM PDT by angkor
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To: ProCivitas

If great amounts of cheap labor were what it takes for prosperity then Mexico would be running rings around us.


17 posted on 05/18/2006 8:04:43 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: ProCivitas

Great article. But I think there was another thread on it, syndicated by a different paper.


18 posted on 05/18/2006 8:16:14 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: thoughtomator
.....so do skilled immigrants, in excess, depress wages of skilled Americans.

Yes they do. Fortunately, the government does keep tabs on them and doesn't let them sneak into the country.

19 posted on 05/18/2006 8:34:20 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: angkor

The employer makes out by not paying FICA and Workers Comp.


20 posted on 05/18/2006 8:41:03 AM PDT by chris1 (I)
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