Posted on 05/17/2006 12:32:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin
I agree on the domestic.
If he thinks a barrier on the border will destroy our relationship with Mexico he must think our relationship is based on drugs and illegals. He may be right about that, but if that is so, then it is about time to cut our losses. No one is proposing anything that will limit legal travel or legal commerce between the two countries.
I wonder if we are being blackmailed into accepting, in exchange for Border Security, a "COMPREHENSIVE" package that includes amnesty for BOTH the illegals and their employers, because, among other things, once a guest worker program is in place, the illegals are no longer illegal, and the employers are off the hook from threats and SEVERE PENALTIES of RICO lawsuits?
Maybe the RUSH to pass something in the next few weeks is because the current Senate bill even has a provision that provides 'amnesty' for prior acts by employers of illegals.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606975/posts?page=78#78
Finally, something to get the ball rolling.
Now let's get a vote passed that ensures the remaining 75.4% of the border is fenced as well.
Even if Bush told Rove yada yada- then Rove told King, then King told the reporter...by then it is at minimum 3rd hand and surely you remember the game of gossip. I would be furious if I believed President Bush said that, but I will not believe a 3rd or more hand account of what he said. We all know how the the media distorts things.
Good One!!
The media said King said Rove said President Bush said...? That is a few too many he saids for me. I will only believe President Bush said that when I hear it from him. Whatever is going on- don't forget the media is not your friend.
The reporter did such a bad job, I'm not even sure it started out as a direct quote. I do agree the writer is ignorant, whether or not he was deliberately trying to make someone look bad is debatable.
I'm against any type of blanket amnesty for these violators. But why is the government talking about citizenship? If they are going to cave in, why go that far? A resident can live here, work, go to school, etc; they just cannot vote. Do I smell something here from our traitors in congress? You bet!
Border Sheriffs Skeptical Of President's Plan ^
Posted by RedBloodedAmerican to soccer_maniac
On News/Activism ^ 05/17/2006 4:01:27 PM EDT · 19 of 23 ^
better check that
is that a king quote or rov quote
and why are you ignroing what Bush said Monday night about law enforcement?
quit lying.
Pinging people who I know have been watching, some you posted to and they ought to know you were lying and some who might be interested that there's a troll spamming the forum.
Senate OKs Border Fence, Mulls Citizenship ^
Posted by soccer_maniac to BenLurkin
On News/Activism ^ 05/17/2006 3:44:19 PM EDT · 22 of 93 ^
Rove told lawmakers . . . The president doesnt want to enforce immigration law because hes afraid hell inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838263
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Unions Oppose Hiring of Mexican Workers ^
Posted by soccer_maniac to Tammy8
On General/Chat ^ 05/17/2006 3:43:52 PM EDT · 34 of 42 ^
Rove told lawmakers . . . The president doesnt want to enforce immigration law because hes afraid hell inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838263
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Border Sheriffs Skeptical Of President's Plan ^
Posted by soccer_maniac to RedBloodedAmerican
On News/Activism ^ 05/17/2006 3:40:42 PM EDT · 18 of 22 ^
Rove told lawmakers . . . The president doesnt want to enforce immigration law because hes afraid hell inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838263
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Senate Votes to Build 370-Mile Triple-Layered Fence on Mexican Border ^
Posted by soccer_maniac to TomasUSMC
On News/Activism ^ 05/17/2006 3:33:50 PM EDT · 105 of 171 ^
Rove told lawmakers . . . The president doesnt want to enforce immigration law because hes afraid hell inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838263
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Sean Hannity Talk Show Live Thread Wednesday 17 May 2006 ^
Posted by soccer_maniac to hattend
On News/Activism ^ 05/17/2006 3:31:23 PM EDT · 86 of 194 ^
Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, The president doesnt want to enforce immigration law because hes afraid hell inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838263
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Senate Votes to Build 370-Mile Triple-Layered Fence on Mexican Border ^
Posted by soccer_maniac to LS
On News/Activism ^ 05/17/2006 3:30:35 PM EDT · 97 of 171 ^
Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, The president doesnt want to enforce immigration law because hes afraid hell inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838263
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Folks,
Look carefully at the amendments coming out of the Senate. They are moving in the right direction. The GW program is capped at 200K. If that cap is 1) reduced a bit more in House-Senate conference and 2) requires a supermajority of 2/3 in both Senate and House to raise the number, then hell, this GW program is really small.
We're going to get some fencing from the Senate. That is clear at this point. And the House will add miles to it.
The hoops that will be created by Senate amendments to provide path to citizenship for the 11 million illegals are going to be severe. When the House - Senate conference starts, they will get more severe. Damn near none of these illegals will qualify. And frankly, those who fight the process long enough and hard enough and learn English and wait the 10 years and endure some severe punishment for their crimes . . . hell, anyone who does all that would probably make a fine American.
Don't give up yet. This process that is unfolding is moving decidedly to the right, and the House - Senate conference hasn't even started yet.
I disagree. 370 is the minimum, the House-senate conference can and likely will up it substantially. It's a start and wouldn't exist at all if the base was a bunch of passive patsies, like some freepers advocate.
"I don't agree. He is seriously addressing a 40 year in the making problem."
yes, it started 40 years ago with a bill that Kennedy wrote in 1965.
Now we are facing the horrible consequences of that bad Kennedy immigration bill, and the solution is ... McCain-Kennedy?!?
Nuts.
It's not a solution it's a surrender, that will result in 100 million new 3rd world migrants in our country in the next generation.
"He is seriously addressing"
We cannot control immigration without enforcing the law.
Let me ask you, how many illegal immigrants will be deported under McCain-Kennedy or Hagel-Martinez?
How many? Ask your senator.
How much money and effort are they putting into INS enforcement and employer verification?
How many fines for employers?
Then come back and tell us about "serious".
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