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I don't agree. He is seriously addressing a 40 year in the making problem. His proposals to work harder to secure the border, reform the terribly flawed temporary workers permit program (from which a sizable segment of today's illegals come from) and to address those we are currently here illegally is exactly the right systematic process in my opinion.

Dev, I've supported Bush on everything including the Miers nomination, even when I did not think she was a good choice. However, on immigration I cannot. There have been 8 amnesties since 1980, and things keep getting worse. Family members of citizens attempting to immigrate here LEGALLY need 8 to 25 years to get here, and if 12 million illegals are given a path to citizenship, then future family members can forget ever coming. As it is have to wait at the back of the line...overseas, not here. Furthermore, these people are not allowed to visit their relatives here, and that due to American law, not Russian. Somewhere, somehow truth, justice and the American way went down the drain when America considers legal immigration, AND THAT IS EVIL.

However, on immigration I cannot. There have been 8 amnesties since 1980, and things keep getting worse. Family members of citizens attempting to immigrate here LEGALLY need 8 to 25 years to get here, and if 12 million illegals are given a path to citizenship, then future family members can forget ever coming. As it is have to wait at the back of the line...overseas, not here. Furthermore, these people are not allowed to visit their relatives here, and that due to American law, not Russian. Somewhere, somehow truth, justice and the American way went down the drain when America considers legal immigration, AND THAT IS EVIL.

GarySpfc - I hear your sentiment...but we have to be willing to be intellectually honest here - Especially regarding amnesty - The notion that GWB is offering "amnesty" is simply a false premise.

Unless we all get amnesty every time we go to court and pay a fine - If I get a ticket for jay-walking or disturbing the peace....I go to court pay a fine.....case closed. Did I recieve amnesty? (of course not).

GWB is not giving amnesty. That is what Ronald Reagan did. One minute 3 million were illegal the next minute they were legal with absolutely no requirements nor punishment.

GWB is not offering this in the least. There are background check requirements, there are assimilation requirements, there will be fines owed, etc, etc.

If you still don't like this type of plan. So be it. However, having to be intellectually dishonest and insist it is amnesty is BS. (unless we all get amnesty every time we go to court and simply pay a fine without doing jail time).

Best regards,