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The High Cost of Low Prices
The American Conservative ^ | May 22, 2006 Issue | Marian Kester Coombs

Posted on 05/17/2006 10:55:50 AM PDT by A. Pole

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To: hedgetrimmer; docbnj; bfree
as the "free traders" fund the migrants rights groups, who claim there are no borders and no people are illegal.

None of the free traders I know do that. I think borders are great. I also love walls and border guards. I think we need more of both. And I think illegals are illegals. And should be sent back. Glad I could clear up your obvious confusion.

101 posted on 05/17/2006 2:29:30 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: A. Pole
"...created another gigantic category of waste: the bargain TV or DVD player... manufactured with cheaper and cheaper materials, soon breaks down, is not worth repairing, and winds up dumped in the trash"


I had purchased a small TV for my home office, seldom used it, but on occasions wanted to watch major stories as the occured during the day (yet keep working). I turned it on the other day, and poof, a little smoke then nothing.

I can not think of the last time a TV quit working on me. I have replaced them for other reasons, but not because they quit working. I was a little perplexed on what happen, but never gave a thought that we were accually going backward in technology, taking fairly simple and reliable technology, and building it so cheap it will not last a year.

This was some off brand since I (mistakenly believed) a TV is a TV. I guess I will need to be more careful when I make my next purchase of what I think is reliable electronic device.

102 posted on 05/17/2006 2:36:33 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: A. Pole
TFP

" "the way for humane manufacturing and social relations" was rather proposed by the Church. The best formulation of it is available in the papal encyclicals like Rerum Novarum The Christian approach was rejected for Marxists who did not believe in social solidarity and in inherent value of private property. But Marxists liked Free market ideology as a useful tool for bringing socialist revolution closer."

Well said.

103 posted on 05/17/2006 2:38:20 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Dear Mr. Jeeves,

"Again, what kind of moron delegates decisions on product production to a retail outlet?"

"Morons" who want to sell to Wal-Mart.

If you decide to sell to Wal-Mart, you have to let them into your house, and you have to do things the Wal-Mart way. This is a double-edged sword. Wal-Mart introduces business processes and technologies to its vendors that enable its vendors to become more efficient and excellent competitors. But its vendors do contractually lose a certain amount of their autonomy to Wal-Mart.

If you want to sell your manufactured products through the largest retailer in the world, that's the deal you have to take. There are folks lining up to take the deal.

As for Vlasic, if I recall correctly, the company was in financial trouble BEFORE the Wal-Mart deal, and saw the Wal-Mart deal as a way back to solvency. Needless to say, it didn't work.


sitetest


104 posted on 05/17/2006 2:44:38 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Sorry. You are mistaken about EPI. Liberal, obviously, but marxist? Don't think so. But that's your bag.


105 posted on 05/17/2006 3:01:58 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: A. Pole
We want clean air, clean water, good living conditions, the best health care in the world. Yet we aren’t willing to pay for anything manufactured under those restrictions.

The guy had the answer staring him right in the face, but he went on with his inane article anyway.

106 posted on 05/17/2006 3:04:36 PM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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To: Paul Ross
You are mistaken about EPI. Liberal, obviously, but marxist?

E.P.I. Board of Directors

Nope, no Marxists there. And why would you post from a liberal source to FR?

107 posted on 05/17/2006 3:35:07 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: A. Pole

If a large field of low-wage labor made a nation prosperous & powerful, Mexico would be an international powerhouse.


108 posted on 05/17/2006 3:37:48 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: B-Chan

WalMart is like slavery?

Are you F-n retarded? Human bondage and the scourge that it was in the American South HAS NOTHING to do with WalMart.

You aren't forced to shop there, you aren't forced to work there.

Go back to DU.


109 posted on 05/17/2006 3:38:39 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Woohoo!! I'm on A List!!! yay!!!!)
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To: ex-snook
The limbo of how low can you go in paying people is not a long range solution to economic prosperity.

Actually, it is -- sort of. Economic prosperity by definition doesn't necessarily mean that high-paying jobs are plentiful (since "high-paying job" is a very relative term), but that a society as a whole enjoys a high standard of living.

110 posted on 05/17/2006 3:48:38 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Last Dakotan; All
Wal-Mart owes its success to being the first retailer to source in a big way from China.

This is incorrect. Wal-Mart owes it success primarily to the fact that it was able to take advantage of several ongoing developments that heavily influenced the retail industry over the last 25 years:

1. They were first major retailer to take advantage of the most important advance in the freight shipping industry since World War II -- the advent of containerized shipping. This more than anything else is what made it extremely cost-effective to ship most finished products long distances around the globe.

2. Their most robust growth period coincided with an era when America was becoming increasingly suburbanized and when fuel had become very inexpensive (in relative terms). These two factors combined to make big-box retail centers the most cost-effective venue for the retail industry, replacing the regional shopping mall concept that had dominated the industry since the 1950s.

3. They've developed the most efficient methods of delivering products from their point of origin to their point of sale. Wal-Mart has built enormous (4+ million square feet) distribution centers in places where nothing existed before they arrived, which tells me that they've got a pretty unique approach to warehousing and distribution.

111 posted on 05/17/2006 3:57:47 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: palmer
One of the cruel, ridiculous twists of fate (or a delightful one, if you are a Canadian) is that western Canada is not only a source of abundant oil -- it's got a ton of coal under the ground, too.

At some point in the not-too-distant future, coal will replace natural gas as the primary source of energy for these oil sands projects.

112 posted on 05/17/2006 4:09:00 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: palmer
Their energy requirements are huge and only possible with government-created economic distortions.

Actually, that's not the case at all. Governments are prohibited under NAFTA from providing energy subsidies for industrial customers. (This doesn't apply to residential users, which explains why my last combined gas/electric bill in Canada a couple of years ago was only $14.)

Many oil extraction projects are able to get natural gas relatively cheaply because natural gas is often found in abundance in the same places where oil is found.

113 posted on 05/17/2006 4:14:38 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: metesky

Does he pay you to post his name over and over again? Just curious.


114 posted on 05/17/2006 4:27:14 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: bfree

I am a little late to the article,but here it goes.

You are absolutely correct.Nobody held a gun to my head 7 years ago when I applied at WAL~MART and started working there.

I started work there because it is two blocks from my house and they could give me the hours I wanted at the time.

I am happy that WAL~MART gave me a chance and that I have the opportunity to move up within the Company.

That is why people apply there.


115 posted on 05/17/2006 4:33:16 PM PDT by Mrs.Nooseman (Proud supporter of our Troops and President GW!!!)
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To: Labyrinthos
I am convinced that Walmart's business plan is to become the world's largest "company store." By keeping wages and prices low, Walmart pretty much guarantees that most of its 1.5 million employees can only afford to shop at Walmart, thereby retaining a large part of what Walmart pays out in wages within the Walmart economy.

What the hell are you talking about.

I work at WAL~MART and I shop at other places as well,i.e. Fred Meyers,The Gab,Mervyns and so on and so forth. I buy my Groceries at Albertson's,Safeway and at the local Grocery store.

BTW,I have people working with me that worked for a Unionized retailer and they all say the are making the same amount of money as they did with the Union job and that they actually keep more of there money,because no DUES are taking out. You must be a Union lackey.

116 posted on 05/17/2006 4:45:40 PM PDT by Mrs.Nooseman (Proud supporter of our Troops and President GW!!!)
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To: Mrs.Nooseman
Thank you. I appreciate honest people and am very glad you enjoy your job and your employer. I am just sick of the wacko's who rip the success of Walmart and blame the company for America's problems. All of the critics seem to fall for the union line, none are bright enough to realize that all retailers buy from mostly the same sources and that mom and pop stores are a fantasy of their youth. I just don't get why these fools keep coming on here to rip them when they are all free not to shop there. I only reason I can really think of is that they are union sympathizers or members, otherwise why waste the time posting.
117 posted on 05/17/2006 5:01:06 PM PDT by bfree (PC is BS)
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To: ex-snook

With thinking like that I guess you support raising the minimum wage to a "liveable wage".


118 posted on 05/17/2006 5:06:39 PM PDT by Fledermaus (If we can't enforce our borders and laws, why have either? Sorry Bush - it's amnesty!)
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To: bfree
You are welcome.

I am sick of those people myself and I think you are right about the people that are so adamant against WAL~MART are affiliated with the Unions.
119 posted on 05/17/2006 5:15:01 PM PDT by Mrs.Nooseman (Proud supporter of our Troops and President GW!!!)
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To: Fledermaus
"With thinking like that I guess you support raising the minimum wage to a "liveable wage"."

Yep. Unliveable wages increase government taxes.

120 posted on 05/17/2006 5:15:19 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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