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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: Vicomte13

I would agree that many in the Senate want inaction to rule the day. For many years on many issues that has been the case.

I think this issue today is very different. Elections are coming and they are all feeling the heat that inaction is not going to be tolerated as status quo. I think this is felt on both sides of the aisle because inaction may well lead to an anti incumbant standpoint from voters no matter what party the usually vote for.

Thus I think that both houses of Congress will end up with something neither is really happy with and they will send it to the President's desk in an attempt to lay all the responsibility onto the office of president for the fallout of the bill as made law or the veto of it.

A veto of it would make for great podium blame game saying that the congress heard the call and produced a bill but it was that damn W that played obstructionist.

As before I do not think W will veto anything. his record shows that to date. This will remove the claim that it is his fault and lay it right back on Congress.

The conference is really going to be something else and I can only wish that we could all see behind that door that will absolutely be closed when it comes to debate between the two houses.


2,821 posted on 05/18/2006 8:38:03 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: streetpreacher

What a load. So some Super Duper Secret cabal is mainipulating the Murderous Minions of Mad Mo? A big puppeteer pulling the strings of Osama and Saddam controlling all?

You must be a very frightened person.


2,822 posted on 05/18/2006 8:38:18 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: ClancyJ

The "base" which the Hysterical and Obsessed claim to represent is as firm as ice in the summer sun. As you have noted these clowns are constantly threatening to leave over any number of things. Totally undependable except for the certainty they will be threatening revolt at the drop of a hat.


2,823 posted on 05/18/2006 8:41:25 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: trisham

Yeah. And I bet he's regretting it.


2,824 posted on 05/18/2006 8:43:07 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: cake_crumb

"They are the all or nothing crowd. They demand all or nothing and get nothing. The rest of us lose."

What they demanded was a sea-to-sea fence and no amnesty by any name, and enforcement of existing law.

What they got was not a fence, guest worker and no serious mention of enforcement.

They aren't angry because they didn't get ALL of their agenda. They are angry because they not only didn't get ANY of it, but the President reasserted his intention to do the OPPOSITE of it: a "virtual" fence (but not a real one), guest worker, national worker ID cards, eventual amnesty by another name.

They demanded something, they got nothing and worse than nothing - they got the inverse of their agenda.
So they are angry.
And you're right, we all lose...
unless they are brought back.
The only way to bring them back is to give them something.
Given the passions and political and economic calculations, you CAN'T give them harsh internal enforcement at this time - the business Republicans will bolt; and you CAN'T give them "No amnesty or guest worker, ever" for the same reason, and also because a lot of people agree with the President that it's too hard and too mean to deport 20 million people who are already here.

But we CAN stop playing games and strike the "virtual" fence for a fence. Period. A physical barrier, sea to sea, which the Border Patrol will patrol. Everyone knows that will be quite effective (which is why the open borders types want something virtual, and less effective, as opposed to something real, and effective).

Give them their fence, and nobody loses except the Democrats.


2,825 posted on 05/18/2006 8:43:20 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: gatorbait
(Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)

Naw, they'd be inedible. Sour tasting, mushy and they'd either get stuck in your throat or upset your stomach. Now, they might make great fertilizer...

See, my plan is to use lib soylent green to replace food stamps and other free food programs. That way, those recipients would most likely get off their butts and figure out a way to buy their own food, rather than eat those nasty tasting buffoons. : )

2,826 posted on 05/18/2006 8:44:02 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: BlueStateDepression

"The conference is really going to be something else and I can only wish that we could all see behind that door that will absolutely be closed when it comes to debate between the two houses."

The game's not complicated now.
There will be a conference committee, and the BorderBots will be given something that appeases them and gives them a reason to vote to protect the GOP Congress. Or they'll get the stiff arm and they'll walk. Or there'll be no agreement, and the status quo will rule.


2,827 posted on 05/18/2006 8:47:00 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: Cold Heat
The entire Bush family have given long lifetimes of public service... These are all long term goals, and we have all lauded them in the past for this vision. Why is it that now it is some ulterior motive. I'll tell you why......because someone really wants to destroy these visionary ideas by labeling them in the negative.

President Reagan believed any immigration "solution" had to put the rule of law first-- it simply didn't work out that way. Any attempt to deal with the problem that does not is not establishing a long term path to establishing a shining city on hill; just the opposite.

I at NO time accused Mary Cheney, George P. Bush, George W. Bush or anyone else of having "ulterior motives" if by that you mean some sort of dishonesty. Mary Cheney is a very admirable individual who has put the nations's security ahead of an issue very near and dear to her heart, and in my opinion all of us, including President Bush, should follow her noble example... Because no matter you stand on the Borders issue, it is not as important as the issue of the WOT. Many take this to mean border control advocates must not throw overboard this great president, and I agree... But it also goes the other way-- he must not throw over the base because his presidency is too important in the WOT to so much as weaken it just so we can get a guest worker's program, even assuming for the purpose of discussion such a program would be a boon to the nation on its own terms.

That does not mean that need agree with her or Vice President Cheney, who I also admire very much, on every issue. Many conservatives have trouble understanding President Bush's refusal to compromise on this issue as he did on others such as the Education bill. I was simply speculating as to why he might feel so strongly about it that he (apparently)refuses to negotiate with the House members of his own party.

2,828 posted on 05/18/2006 8:49:06 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Toby06; Jim Robinson

No one is banned from here because they are "conservative". They are banned for being too nuts, too rude or too disruptive. There hasn't been ONE conservative banned who didn't meet one or more of those descriptions.

Anyone who claims conservatives are being banned for being conservative is a LIAR.


2,829 posted on 05/18/2006 8:49:33 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Perhaps you are not aware that the GOP is not a monolithic, totalitarian party wherein anyone not toeing the Party Line is liquidated?

I have no objection to "raising objections" and have done so myself. My problem is those gleefully threatening to throw the baby our with the bathwater and aid our deadly enemies thereby.

If you want to use a baseball analogy a more appropriate example would be to turn on a team because a couple of players are having a bad year. The House has voted on an Immigration bill the conservatives claim they like and the Senate GOPers voted 2/3s AGAINST a bill the conservatives claim they hate. Yet, the threats continue against the GOP. Insanity, nothing but insanity.


2,830 posted on 05/18/2006 8:55:16 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Vicomte13
"His was a policy speech, not a budget request."

Actually, it's another attempt to succeed at what he's been attempting for several. That's snagged in litigation. Fence proponents have been perversely unsupportive of the fed against the environazis/"human rights" types.

Do you honestly believe that any bill not containing anything about guest workers will be passed by the Senate? We have a razer thin majority, and thanks to Lott and Frist the 2/3 thirds majority problem. Besides, we have a guest worker program in place already.

Also, wouldn't saying we'll discuss things like amnesty after the fence is built sound a little greasy and snakelike to proponents of some amnesty and still outrage the one issue border types? Though it might slow down the forgery industry which is no doubt ready to gear up.

Either way, I agree that we seem to have a political death wish and the House needs to laugh that Senate bill to death and force a commonsense compromise which CAN work. And it would be fat better for the prsident to support it.

2,831 posted on 05/18/2006 8:55:53 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: nopardons; trussell; Toby06; Tatze; Maximus of Texas
Look, n00b, you've mad wild, spurious claims, argued with the Mods, and tried to take me on. I suggest that you quit, before you are ZOTTED. A Mod has already told you, politely, that you're dead wrong and you're still at it; this time with me. The baiting isn't going to work! All you've managed to do, is out yourself.

Toby06 - I slipped ya a mickey, so you now should go lay down.

nopardons - Alone? /jk

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WATCHING NOPARDONS GO FROM RABIDLY ATTACKING ANOTHER FREEPER TO JOKING ABOUT GOING TO BED WITH HIM WITHIN TWO HOURS -- PRICELESS

2,832 posted on 05/18/2006 8:58:08 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Pukin Dog

BUMP! I agree.


2,833 posted on 05/18/2006 9:00:31 AM PDT by Bobbisox (GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH! AGAIN...HE STOOD HIS GROUND AND GAINED MY SUPPORT!)
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To: dirtboy
"Are you kidding me, trying to pull this nonsense?"

I quoted YOU Dirtboy. You make post after post railing about what it means to be a "true conservative" and then you say nothing will work to solve the illegal immigrant problem "UNLESS THERE IS A TRUE DESIRE IN THE GOVERNMENT TO SEE IT DOES WORK." "True conservative" indeed. Maybe you should address your concerns to the thousands upon thousands of your fellow citizens who knowingly break the law by employing illegals. Some of them may well be your neighbors. Instead, you want to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on additional government spending when we could solve this problem for free by removing the lures that draw these people over in the first place. You want to eliminate the gross amount of spending we waste on paying illegals social programs benefits? Get rid of the social programs all together. Since when was free healthcare a right for any American, nevermind illegal aliens. You want to prove there are no jobs Americans won't do? End welfare to able bodied legal citizens and make them get off their fat butts, and away from their cable televisions and go out and work for a living. THOSE ARE REAL CONSERVATIVE GOALS. The fact that we've got illegals streaming through our cities is a clear sign that government has screwed up yet again, and on this issue the screw up started decades ago. Rather than heaping more dependency on the least productive component of our society, maybe we should reduce the load to next to nothing. Government is not the best solution to ANY of our problems.

And finally....please stop spouting drivel about "real conservatives". Ronald Reagan is tired of spinning in his grave.

2,834 posted on 05/18/2006 9:01:14 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: nopardons

One must use a Silver bullet, stake through the heart, garlic, an infinity of mirrors and the noonday sun. Beating back the waves of Insanity is more difficult than trying to get any of the Party of Treason to protect the United States.

It even gives ME a headache and I generally love a good fight.


2,835 posted on 05/18/2006 9:02:18 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: MissAmericanPie

You don't even know what a "globalist" is.


2,836 posted on 05/18/2006 9:04:27 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: dirtboy
Not all of us are just blindly defending Bush. A good portion of us want something accomplished besides a party implosion.

I honestly believe that us screaming in each other's faces (metaphorically...mostly) is clouding the issue and causing more damage to the goal of REAL CHANGE than anything any Democrat subversive could dream up with their mad, slightly damaged brain cells. Civil debate is the only thing that will help honest conservatives achieve any sort of an honest result.

A civil - and thorough - FReeping of our congresscritters and political advisors might clarify what they're now hearing as confused gibberish. He who yells the loudest sometimes only deafens those he wants to hear him.

2,837 posted on 05/18/2006 9:07:34 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: Rokke
and then you say nothing will work to solve the illegal immigrant problem "UNLESS THERE IS A TRUE DESIRE IN THE GOVERNMENT TO SEE IT DOES WORK."

No, I said we cannot SECURE THE BORDER unless there is a true desire to see this work. Last I checked, state laws do not allow citizens arrest of illegals - therefore, IT IS A GOVERNMENT ISSUE.

But I will grant you this - you did a nice job of taking one aspect of the problem and then applying my stance to the larger issue in order to attempt to discredit it. Very dishonest.

True conservative" indeed. Maybe you should address your concerns to the thousands upon thousands of your fellow citizens who knowingly break the law by employing illegals.

I do, but thanks for the strawman. Go try this on someone who might fall for your tricks.

2,838 posted on 05/18/2006 9:08:38 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: cake_crumb
Yes, it appears the anti-globalist's, gold bugs, and a large segment of the libertine isolationists who's views are actually contrary to their platform are all in bed with every assorted bunch of activist's on a variety of social issues from environment to the majority/minority alarmists and total disaster, end of times anarchists.

That's a bunch is "ist's".:-)

2,839 posted on 05/18/2006 9:11:28 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: cake_crumb
A civil - and thorough - FReeping of our congresscritters and political advisors might clarify what they're now hearing as confused gibberish.

Most of the GOP Congresscritters are on the right side here. Bush isn't. He is the one who needs Freeping.

2,840 posted on 05/18/2006 9:12:33 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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