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No border security before legalization. If this is not the first step to complete amnesty, what is?
1 posted on 05/16/2006 11:35:09 AM PDT by raj bhatia
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To: raj bhatia

I said this before on another thread but it fits here just as well.

The thing to be pitied is the large number of elected officials who were sworn into office with an obligation to uphold the law. It is even more to be pitied that so many from the "law and order" party are no more interested in enforcing the law than the "pity the criminal" party. Or should I say they are highly selective in the laws they are willing to enforce.

When so called "pro-life" politicians (aka professional liars) are willing to approach the court ruling in favor of abortion with all the "yawning" attention that they do illegal immigration I just might take them seriously. How about a few states outlawing abortion with the courts ordering them reopened to which the politicians give a long winded speech about this "being a country of laws and the courts have spoken" only behind the scenes they let it be known they will do noting to reopen the death mills. Until then all the words in the world are meaningless as long as their actions contradict their words.

Too much of this seems more "placating the masses" than any real responsible leadership. I truly wish I was wrong about all this but I can not help but feel this is a justified criticism.


2 posted on 05/16/2006 11:38:40 AM PDT by iluvlucy (swim the Tiber, the water is fine)
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To: raj bhatia

Well, you know what they say, don't you? The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.


3 posted on 05/16/2006 11:39:47 AM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: raj bhatia

We have been screwed.

We start screwing back this November.


4 posted on 05/16/2006 11:41:38 AM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam)
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To: raj bhatia

Why let an insignificant detail like security get in the way of selling out the country? These bastards don't even try to hide their contempt for the rule of law. The one positive about this vote is we get their votes on the record.


5 posted on 05/16/2006 11:41:44 AM PDT by blaquebyrd (Allegiance to country before party)
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To: raj bhatia
Republicans Defectors:

Bennett (R-UT) Senile
Brownback (R-KS) Suprising
Chafee (R-RI) RINO
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME) RINO
Craig (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH) RINO
Graham (R-SC) RINO
Hagel (R-NE) RINO
Lugar (R-IN) Senile
Martinez (R-FL) Open Borders Mel
Murkowski (R-AK)
Shelby (R-AL) Fmr. Democrat
Snowe (R-ME) RINO
Specter (R-PA) RINO
Stevens (R-AK)
Voinovich (R-OH) RINO
Warner (R-VA) RINO


Sensible Democrats:

Byrd (D-WV) Looking for a few good votes
Conrad (D-ND) Looking for a few good votes
Dorgan (D-ND) Looking for a few good votes
Landrieu (D-LA) Looking for a few good votes
Nelson (D-NE) Looking for a few good votes
Stabenow (D-MI) Looking for a few good votes
Wyden (D-OR) Suprising
7 posted on 05/16/2006 11:45:48 AM PDT by MassachusettsGOP (Massachusetts Republican....A rare breed indeed)
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There will be another defeat soon. An amendment to strip a part of the guest-worker provision from the Senate bill is being offered now (by a Democrat, ironically). As with the Isakson vote, enough open-border RINOs will join with most Democrats to kill it and preserve the bill's "comprehensive" nature (codeword for amnesty).


8 posted on 05/16/2006 11:47:08 AM PDT by ForOurFuture
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To: raj bhatia

Senators - doing the job most Americans would never do.


16 posted on 05/16/2006 11:50:49 AM PDT by loreldan (Without coffee I am nothing.)
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To: raj bhatia

"No border security before legalization. If this is not the first step to complete amnesty, what is?"

No, it's much worse. It's not "amnesty" for illegals already here whether from a year ago or ten years, the guest worker plan aims to bring in hundreds of thousands of more foreign workers every year on business' say-so that they can't find an American "willing" to work for the job.

And Hagel bill promises millions more straight-up immigration increase.

We already let in a million legally per year. Two business factions involved, one that wants to depress wages, another that massively wants to increase domestic markets - NAFTA didn't magically improve Mexicans' lives, so bring them here and see what they can earn and consume.

The cover-story philosophies are Globalism for some, compassion for others. Bush invokes the latter. No discussion of how this will effect Americans' wroking lives, taxes, resources, etc. is germane. No financial analysis is offered or even expected by Bush and Congress. The whole deal changing our lives is sold on words like "compassion."

Normally the "loyal opposition" would point out the failures, but the Dems are tight with Bush on this one. It's embarassing to them, that's why they make those curious statements denouncing Bush on immigration. Since the Liberal MSM has not interest in investigating Democratic falsehoods they get a pass. Except for Lou Dobbs's Show.


18 posted on 05/16/2006 11:52:42 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: raj bhatia

CNN has a poll just up, and the results are staggeringly in the president's favor. 79 percent of those who watched had a very favorable or favorable view of the speech, and those who support the president's policies rose in number from 42 to 67 percent.

From the Corner:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmY4Y2MxOGM1OWY2Njk1ZWM2NGNlN2ViNjhmMzU2OTQ

I'm glad to see the real world doesn't mirror FR.


21 posted on 05/16/2006 11:55:17 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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When I get on some of my rants, occaisionally people call me on the carpet concerning what I have done for the GOP in the past. Look at this man and remember Max Cleland. I'm not taking full credit, just saying I did all I could do in my own small way to bring this about.

Isaakson is a conservative Republican, and to a small iota of a lesser extent so is Chambliss.

No one in Arizona, Nevada, Iowa, California, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin....(well, you get the idea) can call me a troll until they get their Senators in order.


23 posted on 05/16/2006 11:55:55 AM PDT by 308MBR ( Somebody sold the GOP to the socialists, and the GOP wasn't theirs to sell.)
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So, the rule is now that Congress can't pass immigration reform simultaneously with immigration enforcement or else they're the enemy?

If I was voting, I would have abstained. This is (was) a proposal designed to separate Republicans from each other and accomplish no other purpose.


34 posted on 05/16/2006 12:08:18 PM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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Maybe it's time to stop bashing Bush on this issue - it's been known for some time that it's the same Congress that keeps complaining about it, that keeps blocking any type of reform or progress. Without the Congress, there's nothing a President can do to actually force the issue.

I humbly submit that anyone that thinks the Prez is lax on security and has the power to fix the border/immigration fiasco, without the support of a rational Congress, is an idiot.

Not directed at you - just a general observation/opinion.

35 posted on 05/16/2006 12:10:04 PM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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The Senate wants an amnesty only bill. I can guarantee its DOA on arrival in the House. It will never make it to the President's desk.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

39 posted on 05/16/2006 12:15:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: raj bhatia

One answer to solve this is to vote the current group in Congress out. Find good conservatives that will do the will of the people. It may take a few elections, but we can make changes.


42 posted on 05/16/2006 12:17:59 PM PDT by devane617
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To: raj bhatia

I see our Roman Procosuls are at it again.


44 posted on 05/16/2006 12:18:07 PM PDT by Gritty (The Senate bill is amnesty wrapped in bureaucracy surrounded by fraud – J.D. Hayworth, R-AZ)
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We've had many first steps towards complete amnesty.

This is certainly a sign of the times. Bush should be impeached on his refusal to enforce the law. He's most certainly not doing much to protect and defend here by opening the door to our southern invasion.

54 posted on 05/16/2006 1:16:50 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Don't use illegals: HIREPATRIOTS.COM)
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