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Senate Casts First Votes on Immigration(The first immigration defeat)
The New York Times ^

Posted on 05/16/2006 11:35:07 AM PDT by raj bhatia

The Senate defeated, 55 to 40, a proposal by Senator Johnny Isakson, Republican of Georgia, that lawmakers demand that border-security measures be in place before beginning a guest-worker program of the kind envisioned by President Bush.

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KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; senatevote
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No border security before legalization. If this is not the first step to complete amnesty, what is?
1 posted on 05/16/2006 11:35:09 AM PDT by raj bhatia
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To: raj bhatia

I said this before on another thread but it fits here just as well.

The thing to be pitied is the large number of elected officials who were sworn into office with an obligation to uphold the law. It is even more to be pitied that so many from the "law and order" party are no more interested in enforcing the law than the "pity the criminal" party. Or should I say they are highly selective in the laws they are willing to enforce.

When so called "pro-life" politicians (aka professional liars) are willing to approach the court ruling in favor of abortion with all the "yawning" attention that they do illegal immigration I just might take them seriously. How about a few states outlawing abortion with the courts ordering them reopened to which the politicians give a long winded speech about this "being a country of laws and the courts have spoken" only behind the scenes they let it be known they will do noting to reopen the death mills. Until then all the words in the world are meaningless as long as their actions contradict their words.

Too much of this seems more "placating the masses" than any real responsible leadership. I truly wish I was wrong about all this but I can not help but feel this is a justified criticism.


2 posted on 05/16/2006 11:38:40 AM PDT by iluvlucy (swim the Tiber, the water is fine)
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To: raj bhatia

Well, you know what they say, don't you? The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.


3 posted on 05/16/2006 11:39:47 AM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: raj bhatia

We have been screwed.

We start screwing back this November.


4 posted on 05/16/2006 11:41:38 AM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam)
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To: raj bhatia

Why let an insignificant detail like security get in the way of selling out the country? These bastards don't even try to hide their contempt for the rule of law. The one positive about this vote is we get their votes on the record.


5 posted on 05/16/2006 11:41:44 AM PDT by blaquebyrd (Allegiance to country before party)
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To: iluvlucy
I saw a bumper sticker today that said...

IF IT SAYS INCUMBANT VOTE NO

Could be the start of something

6 posted on 05/16/2006 11:44:04 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: raj bhatia
Republicans Defectors:

Bennett (R-UT) Senile
Brownback (R-KS) Suprising
Chafee (R-RI) RINO
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME) RINO
Craig (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH) RINO
Graham (R-SC) RINO
Hagel (R-NE) RINO
Lugar (R-IN) Senile
Martinez (R-FL) Open Borders Mel
Murkowski (R-AK)
Shelby (R-AL) Fmr. Democrat
Snowe (R-ME) RINO
Specter (R-PA) RINO
Stevens (R-AK)
Voinovich (R-OH) RINO
Warner (R-VA) RINO


Sensible Democrats:

Byrd (D-WV) Looking for a few good votes
Conrad (D-ND) Looking for a few good votes
Dorgan (D-ND) Looking for a few good votes
Landrieu (D-LA) Looking for a few good votes
Nelson (D-NE) Looking for a few good votes
Stabenow (D-MI) Looking for a few good votes
Wyden (D-OR) Suprising
7 posted on 05/16/2006 11:45:48 AM PDT by MassachusettsGOP (Massachusetts Republican....A rare breed indeed)
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To: raj bhatia

There will be another defeat soon. An amendment to strip a part of the guest-worker provision from the Senate bill is being offered now (by a Democrat, ironically). As with the Isakson vote, enough open-border RINOs will join with most Democrats to kill it and preserve the bill's "comprehensive" nature (codeword for amnesty).


8 posted on 05/16/2006 11:47:08 AM PDT by ForOurFuture
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To: Robe
IF IT SAYS INCUMBANT VOTE NO

Democrats won't be voting out any incumbents.

9 posted on 05/16/2006 11:47:41 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Robe
I like DRIP = Don't Reelect Incumbent Politicians
10 posted on 05/16/2006 11:47:53 AM PDT by hattend (Stop! No more! The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy and bruised! - Zapp Brannigan:)
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To: MassachusettsGOP
By the way, where are the following???

Cochran (R-MS)
Gregg (R-NH)
Lott (R-MS)
McCain (R-AZ)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
11 posted on 05/16/2006 11:48:28 AM PDT by MassachusettsGOP (Massachusetts Republican....A rare breed indeed)
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To: MassachusettsGOP

I found the roll call interesting. Byrd for example opposes the President on a lot of things but is incredibly conservative in his votes. What sense does party affiliation make?


12 posted on 05/16/2006 11:48:46 AM PDT by raj bhatia
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To: MassachusettsGOP

I know McStain didn't vote, his position is he has no position.


13 posted on 05/16/2006 11:49:28 AM PDT by piceapungens
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To: ForOurFuture
by a Democrat, ironically

Sounds like a "poisen pill" amendment.
14 posted on 05/16/2006 11:49:55 AM PDT by P-40
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To: tomahawk

How do we do that?


15 posted on 05/16/2006 11:50:03 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: raj bhatia

Senators - doing the job most Americans would never do.


16 posted on 05/16/2006 11:50:49 AM PDT by loreldan (Without coffee I am nothing.)
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To: MassachusettsGOP

They didn't vote


17 posted on 05/16/2006 11:50:53 AM PDT by hattend (Stop! No more! The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy and bruised! - Zapp Brannigan:)
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To: raj bhatia

"No border security before legalization. If this is not the first step to complete amnesty, what is?"

No, it's much worse. It's not "amnesty" for illegals already here whether from a year ago or ten years, the guest worker plan aims to bring in hundreds of thousands of more foreign workers every year on business' say-so that they can't find an American "willing" to work for the job.

And Hagel bill promises millions more straight-up immigration increase.

We already let in a million legally per year. Two business factions involved, one that wants to depress wages, another that massively wants to increase domestic markets - NAFTA didn't magically improve Mexicans' lives, so bring them here and see what they can earn and consume.

The cover-story philosophies are Globalism for some, compassion for others. Bush invokes the latter. No discussion of how this will effect Americans' wroking lives, taxes, resources, etc. is germane. No financial analysis is offered or even expected by Bush and Congress. The whole deal changing our lives is sold on words like "compassion."

Normally the "loyal opposition" would point out the failures, but the Dems are tight with Bush on this one. It's embarassing to them, that's why they make those curious statements denouncing Bush on immigration. Since the Liberal MSM has not interest in investigating Democratic falsehoods they get a pass. Except for Lou Dobbs's Show.


18 posted on 05/16/2006 11:52:42 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: hattend

What kind of a stupid position is "not voting". This is the most burning issue in the country. Will they give their paychecks for this month back?


19 posted on 05/16/2006 11:52:49 AM PDT by raj bhatia
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To: Smogger

So your saying BOHICA, and I should be glad because I'm getting screwed by Republicans????


20 posted on 05/16/2006 11:53:05 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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