Venezuela May Sell Its U.S.-Made F-16s to Iran

I agree the one shown in my pictures are the demo,
But I know sources In Government in venezuela,
specificaly Maracaibo, which have in fact seen the new Migs The Squadron is even already being assigned the same designation as the old F 16 squadron. (which was called Squadron de casa,or Hunter sqaudron!
Cuba and venezuela Are Training together Where Cuban Pilots are the Instructor. This is No secret, The Planes are on an Airbase In Maracaibo, which is the closet base to The Panama canal(which the Venenzuelan General stated the purpose of the migs were for which was to Protect the Canal) US militay operations in the island Of curacao Have observed the planes also, Once again it is no secret!
whether they have the 50 they ordered I dont know but from what I know They have at lest 6. 2 trainers and 4 operational. Russia is supplying Venezuela with all kind of weapons, They even Have the New AK 103,104 to replace the older MAS FAL rigfles. Not only are they getting the riffles but they are opening a factory to produce them under factory patent. Also no secret!!

The contract was sign in 2004, and they are now receiving the firearms and the some but not all migs are there,including a chinese spy satelite,and brazilian made light attack aircraft.

VEnezuela has the means and the resources to take on the US, but will ut ever happen NO. Because the middle class in this country will be pushing their cars for a long time to come if that happens.

"Fact that the Argentinian pilots Flight route was to fly north to venezuela refuel and arm, and them fly out to the atlantic then to fly south to hit their targets."

Sorry, obviously you are not a tactician. No Super Etendard operated out of Venezuela and neither did Venezuela supply AM.39s to Argentina. Argentina only had 5 French supplied AM.39s. These were supplied by France before the conflict. They were the only AM.39s that Argentina could get hold of. All of these were used up on mission in the Falklands and fired from their launch aircraft the Super Etendard.

All of the Argentine Super Etendard missions are accounted for in detail. The Argentine Navy pilots have spoken on TV and in book of those missions. None of them were flown from Venezuela. Are you seriously trying to inform me that missions that Super Etendard armed with AM.39s flew all the way from Venezuela to attack British vessels? Please spare me the BS. Please take a look at a map and see the distance that would have to be flown to achieve your fantasy mission? And please don't give me any BS about the Argentine aircraft carrier being involved.

The Argentines revealed after the conflict that they only had 5 AM.39s in their inventory. They tried to obtain other AM.39s but failed. That is why their Super Etendard missions ended when they did due to them not having any more AM.39s left. Take a look at a map again. Argentine tanker aircraft would have to have operated in a relay even to get the Super Etendard down to the Falklands. Argentina never had the number of tankers needed for such a mission. Only in your fantasy land did such a mission take place.

OK you believe that these Super Etendard missions took place? Please inform me and this thread the dates those missions took place and the results. Over to you!

Sorry bud, but obvioulsy you like to listen to fantasy tales. To date no MiGs have been delivered to Venezuela. Chavez is already on the cards this week as stating that"he was thinking of selling Venezuela’s US built F 16 fighters to Iran and purchasing new MIGs from Russia". What you are relying on are the dodgy stories that have been doing the rounds. Take a look at the dodgy websites that promote such stories? Those same websites even promote your claims of "U.S. intelligence source also claims that MiGs have been spotted". It makes a great story, you certainly like your fantasy tales, but doesn't quite add up now does it? Explain how Mil can't hide the supply of helos to Venezuela yet MiG MAPO can hide the supply of MiG-29s? You do know that the Russian export company is accountable to the Russian government?

Also you are informing me that the MiGs are based at a joint mil/civilian airport. An airliner hub and not one person has imaged the MiGs or reported on them?

Latin American support
Despite receiving cursory support from the Organisation of American States in a resolution supporting Argentina's sovereignty and deploring EEC sanctions (with Chile, Colombia, Trinidad & Tobago and the USA attending but abstaining), Argentina received military assistance only from Peru (Peruvian president Belaunde announced that his country was "ready to support Argentina with all the resources it needed.") and Venezuela. This came in the form of aircraft supplies like long range air fuel tanks and spare parts. Argentina received Mirage 5P fighter planes from the Peruvian Air Force whilst the Argentine Navy received Aermacchi MB-326 and Embraer Bandeirantes from the Brazilian Air Force.

This is part of a wikepedia article, But not everything that venezuela did is listed. You see venezuela was the only country willing to give them or sell them exocets when there was a british ban on them to argentina.

I barely remenber but a few years back discovery channel did a piece on those missions to rearm the exocet on to etendard when the venezuelan exocet were fitted for pylons on Mirage2000"s.

I still see no dates for these Super Etendard AM.39 mission flown from Venezuela. Again take a look at a map for crying out loud! Are you aware of how many tanker refuellings it would take get the Super Etendards down to the Falklands from Venezuela.

You wrote:

"I barely remenber but a few years back discovery channel did a piece on those missions to rearm the exocet on to etendard when the venezuelan exocet were fitted for pylons on Mirage2000"s."

Neither Argentina or Venezuela operate the Mirage 2000. What you are relying on is a fantasy tale. You fail to consider the range that the Super Etendard would have to fly and the refuelling support that it would require. For your mission to work then their would have to have been Argentine KC-130s in support doing multiple refuellings. You fail to provide a date for these missions when the Argentines provided details of pilots and the missions flown to launch their 5 French supplied AM.39s.

Again take a look at a map. Work out the range and inform me of the dates that those Super Etendard missions.

The Argentines during the conflict only had 5 AM.39s. They used them all up in anti-shipping missions.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/Exocet.html

Augusto Bedacarratz has recently recounted his thoughts on his mission:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/falklands/my_story/bedacarratz.stm

If you think that Super Etendards flew from Venezuela on anti-shipping missions then your are seriously deluding yourself. Bedacarratz and any other of the Argentine Armada Super Etendard pilots would laugh at your fantasy tale based purely on the logistics that would have had to have been taken just to get them to the region.

well i did a bit more seaching and n fact the etandards did not fly to venezuela on the same days as the missions took place . there were maintained in venezuela to be outfitted for the exocet the weeks later flew to argentina before the conflict even bagan. There were flight plans which called for planes to flee to venezuela to evade being destroyed by british invaders , and it was on one of these so called flee attempts that they blended the attack which sunk the british vessles.

Vnezuelka has had mirage aircraft for a long time
http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avmir3.html follow this link and if you like I can send you a video of an air show in 2004 where you can see all the aircraft vcnezuela flys.

You wrote:

"The mirage 1-5 are all varients of the 2000.there are plenty of british pilots thst would tell you otherwise even those shopt down by mirage. the harrier was good but the mirage could out run it."

Please stop talking non-sense. It is clear that you are living in a complete fantasy land. Neither Venezuela or Argentina operate or have operated the Mirage 2000.

No Argentine Mirage pilot made any claim against a UK Harrier or any other aircraft.

Are you aware that the Mirage 2000 first unit formed in France in 1984. The French Air Force were the first to put the aircraft into operational service. The first production Mirage 2000 came off the production line in November 1982.

You do realise that the '2000' tag was to represent the ultimate development of the Mirage family.

Again, neither Venezuela or Argentina operate the Mirage 2000. The only South American operator of the Mirage 2000 is Peru. Peru received these in 1986. Would you please do some research before posting! Your claim that "The mirage 1-5 are all varients of the 2000" is totally ridiculous.

Have you ever seen the Mirage 2000? I hope you have because is you say the 2000 is no variant of the V then your Blind.
In fact France and the US used to train at RED FLAG with squadrons of the Venezuelan Mirage and F16's I can send you Pictures of bothe the 2000 and the V Which Venezuela has. the Same External tanks the Same Missle pylons and Very Little Change on the AIRframe.

Just Go to www.fav-club.com and watch the airshow video Tastefuly done to Metalica. There you will see the Mirage Venezuela Operate, then you can go to any Mirage 2000 site and tell me they are not the same shit!

Your post:

"The mirage 1-5 are all varients of the 2000"

Do you still stand by your statement?

The Mirage 2000 is a fly-by wire development of the early model delta winged single-engined Mirage family. They are completely different aircraft. They don't use the same tanks. The only nation in South America to operate the Mirage 2000 is Peru.

May I remind you again of your statement:

"The mirage 1-5 are all varients of the 2000"

The only nation in South America to operate the Mirage 2000 is Peru. The Mirage 2000 is a different generation over any of the older Mirage family. A Mirage 2000 can outfly and out perform any of the early Mirage family.

You seem very confused and repeatedly changing your original arguement.May I remind you again of your statement:

"The mirage 1-5 are all varients of the 2000"

Do you still stand by this statement?

The Mirage 2000 and Mirage III/V don't use the same external tanks. The Mirage 2000 uses larger externals which are not cleared for carriage on the older models. Your assumptions are completely incorrect.

Mirage 2000

Argentine Mirage III

Argentine Finger (Mirage V variant built by Israel originally named Nesher - renamed Dagger by Argentina)

Argentine Finger

good pictures, same shit though maybe electronics and some surface changes but go to the desault website and there you can read about it. They even state that the 2000 is the latest varient of the mirage family. and yes peru is the only one with the 2000 the point that i was making is the mirage exocet was used for the etandard regardless of my 2000 mistake for the 50vs mirage venezuela has I dont quite keep up with the varients of the mirage but it was a mirage indeed. Now you can say the rafale is a different. looks like a knock off of our F16 with canard wings

By the way did you know That ACTUALY in 1992 there were two separate Coups in Venezuela, I did not I just read about it last night. one was in feb and one was in nov. The november one is actualy worth reading about since it involved some real neat dog fights between mirage and f16s over Caracas. The ealier coup was Chavez doing his dirty work and later the Visconti commander coup which was mostly air raids. I will post a link. I think after reading this Venezuela should highly consider keeping the 16 and making good with the us on some stuff to get thos birds up to spec.

"mirage exocet was used for the etandard regardless of my 2000 mistake for the 50vs mirage venezuela "

Argentina only had 5 AM.39 Exocets as supplied by the French. The Argentines admit this as fact. They received no other AM.39s during the conflict and used up the 5 during Falklands/Malvinas missions. If they had had more AM.39 Exocets then why did they not use them in missions from the Super Etendards? Due to the lack of AM.39s the Argentines removed ship-based Exocets and trailer mounted them on the islands. One island based Exocet near the end of the conflict damaged HMS Glamorgan.

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