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To: Peach
Tony: Tar baby comment is traced back to war.

I heard him say this:

Tony: Tar baby comment is traced back to American lore.

410 posted on 05/16/2006 10:05:58 AM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Petronski
"Tony: Tar baby comment is traced back to American lore."

That's what I heard him say too - very clearly.

424 posted on 05/16/2006 10:07:52 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: Petronski
FYI. From Random House on Tar Baby:

The tar baby is a form of a character widespread in African folklore. In various folktales, gum, wax, or other sticky material is used to trap a person.

The folktale achieved currency in the United States in written form in one of Joel Chandler Harris's Uncle Remus stories, a collection of stories based on African-American folklore, narrated by the fictional Uncle Remus, a former slave. In the story "Tar-Baby," the character Brer Fox makes a doll out of tar, which he places by the road to entrap his enemy Brer Rabbit. Brer Rabbit talks to the doll, and when it doesn't answer, he hits it, and gets stuck in the tar. The more he struggles with it, the more he is entangled in it.

This story has led to the figurative use of tar baby in the sense 'an inextricable problem or situation', sometimes with the nuance 'something used to entrap a person'. Both the examples cited in the question show the use of this sense, which appears to be first used in the early twentieth century.

The expression tar baby is also used occasionally as a derogatory term for black people (in the U.S. it refers to African-Americans; in New Zealand it refers to Maoris), or among blacks as a term for a particularly dark-skinned person. As a result, some people suggest avoiding the use of the term in any context.
445 posted on 05/16/2006 10:09:56 AM PDT by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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