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Did These Ploys Sneak into Bush's Speech?(Bait & Switch)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 16, 2006 | JOHN O'SULLIVAN

Posted on 05/16/2006 5:36:42 AM PDT by kellynla

For my next trick, ladies and gentlemen, I will perform a death-defying stunt -- no, not climbing a 300-foot ladder, diving through seven rings of fire and landing perfectly safely in a glass of water. That's easy once you know how to do it.

Instead, I shall advise you on how to interpret President Bush's speech on immigration that you heard last night but that was delivered several hours after this column was written. Very simply: Ask yourselves the following questions:

Did the president use the phrase ''comprehensive immigration reform'' several times? That's revealing because this phrase is an example of smuggling. He hopes that by wrapping a ''temporary guest-worker program'' and the ''not an amnesty'' provision to legalize the 12 million illegals already here -- both of which are unpopular -- inside a tough-sounding popular promise to secure the border with the National Guard, he will persuade most Americans to accept the first two proposals.

Did the president spend a large part of his speech on promising to secure the border by sending the National Guard there? Heigh-ho. This is the umpteenth time that Bush has promised to toughen up border security with a new initiative. He does so whenever there is public disquiet about illegal immigration.

Yet this kind of mini-initiative is fundamentally irrelevant. As this column has repeatedly pointed out, porous borders are the result of uncontrolled immigration as much as its cause. You cannot control the borders, however many patrols you hire or fences you build, if you grant an effective pardon to anyone who gets 100 miles inland.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens
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To: babygene
I am lilly white you a$$!
61 posted on 05/16/2006 6:40:43 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Dominic Harr

That's why I put the word in quotes the first time around. These one-trick ponies who fashion themselves as "true conservatives" will in the long run do nothing more than increase the chances of Democrat victories.

President Bush has done a ton to turn back the damage caused in the prior 8 years of Clinton. But the "ever-so-principled" fringe players of the extreme right are working hard to bring it all back.


62 posted on 05/16/2006 6:42:34 AM PDT by zook
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To: reagandemo
--- Hummm...personal attacks. That will get no where at FR fast.---

A bit of truth... take it or leave it. You are crying like a baby.

---The local law enforcements officials are hampered by the Feds that used to round them up and then let them go. It's a federal issue not State---

I can't belive that any true Conservative can advocate Federal control of a State with federal troops.

63 posted on 05/16/2006 6:44:46 AM PDT by avacado
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To: zook
By the looks of it, Mexico will be headed in Venezuela's direction after their next election.
64 posted on 05/16/2006 6:44:54 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: kellynla

"You obviously are not knowledgeable of the economic & political situation in Mexico."

You are obviously a prig of the sort that is useless to any meaningful progress on this issue.


65 posted on 05/16/2006 6:45:13 AM PDT by zook
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To: zook
President Bush has done a ton to turn back the damage caused in the prior 8 years of Clinton.

"A ton"???

Bush has been fine. Adequate. Not spectacular.

Bush has done quite a few things that damage the conservative movement -- assuming you define 'conservative' as smaller govt. He's also done a few things to appease conservatives.

If it hadn't been for the war, which I support, I wouldn't have much positive to say for him.

66 posted on 05/16/2006 6:46:04 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: TomGuy

---If it passes, he gets amnesty (under the guise of pay a fine).

If it fails, he gets status quo and the illegals continue to flood in.---

We're being played.


67 posted on 05/16/2006 6:46:08 AM PDT by claudiustg (Build a fence. They won't come.)
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To: avacado

Nobody thinks the wall is wonderful, but something has to be done. We have no control over the border and it's not 1930 with a few hundred or thousand illegals coming in to pick crops. The figure of 11 million illegals already here is usually quoted, but the truth is close to double that. Let's forget about the change in US culture, mores, laws, etc.. What about Mexico? (To take just one country affected. Given a little time, you could probably substitute every other country in South and Central America since they're all packing for the trip north.

Mexico's ingrained corruption and poverty are legendary and are getting worse as the population leaves. The billions sent home in remittances amount to more than drugs, oil, tourism, you name it. Mexico even had the gall to tell Canada to take the rest of her citizens as a cheap work force. It's nothing less than ethnic cleansing and it's despicable. Whole villages, provinces more or less deserted and Fox telling the US we should 'invest in rebuilding Mexico's infrastructure so Mexicans will want to come home'. Sounds like extortion. Just look at Fox's face and then the average illegal. The Spanish white oligarchy has finally found a way to rid themselves of native Mexican Indians and make money, to boot.


68 posted on 05/16/2006 6:46:15 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Fiji Hill

That's the kind of fence that most of these reckless anti-Bush fringies would like to see built all around America and even, perhaps, within its major cities.


69 posted on 05/16/2006 6:46:18 AM PDT by zook
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To: avacado
Psssst . . .

I'm in Austin. Got family in Laredo and the valley.

Don't go saying you speak for Texas. Most folks I know *want* more border security, including federal troops permenantly stationed there. The drug war, esp in Laredo and Nuevo Laredo, has become a serious issue. Cops being gunned down on the courthouse steps, etc.

You don't sound like any Texan I've ever met, being against tighter border security.

70 posted on 05/16/2006 6:48:23 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: zook
His harshest critics, those "conservatives" who continually bash him on this issue, are recklessly damaging the conservative movement.

As usual, you have it exactly backwards. Like his father before him, Bush seems hell-bent on disregarding his base one time too many. But of course, it's all our fault.

71 posted on 05/16/2006 6:48:51 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Dominic Harr

If it hadn't been for the war, a lot of things might be different in this nation. But we are fighting a war and it's to W's tremendous credit that we are. I can't imagine any other candidate from back in 2000, Rep. or Dem., who would have had the fortitude to stay the course the way he has.

Yep, I believe he did a ton. And the one-trick fringe Bush-bashers are working hard to see that it's undone.


72 posted on 05/16/2006 6:48:55 AM PDT by zook
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To: dirtboy

I have it exactly right. You fringies are loud, but you're the minority, even on this forum.


73 posted on 05/16/2006 6:49:43 AM PDT by zook
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To: SeƱor Zorro

---Frankly, I don't like the idea of a wall. Not because of illegal immigration (which should most definitely be halted), but because I would fear that eventually it is used to prevent illegal emmigration. ---

Oops! Tinfoil hat cutting off circulation there, Mr. Z.


76 posted on 05/16/2006 6:50:45 AM PDT by claudiustg (Build a fence. They won't come.)
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To: avacado

"I am lilly white you a$$!"

Why is it that you can't spell avocado correctly then?


77 posted on 05/16/2006 6:51:26 AM PDT by babygene
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To: kellynla

It will be interesting to see the 'Bot response to this one.


78 posted on 05/16/2006 6:51:53 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: SR 50
It's obvious you are on the wrong side of the fence/wall right now.

Word association test:

Avacado = Guacamole = Mexico

Yup, I bet you're right.

79 posted on 05/16/2006 6:52:15 AM PDT by SMM48
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To: zook
I have it exactly right. You fringies are loud, but you're the minority, even on this forum.

Yeah, right. Every FR poll on this issue says otherwise. And so do honest polls such as Rasmussen.

I can see why Bush is in so much political trouble if he lives in the same state of chronic denial that you do.

80 posted on 05/16/2006 6:52:39 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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