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President's Immigration speech - Live thread
me | 05/15/2006 | me

Posted on 05/15/2006 4:13:02 PM PDT by devane617

Edited on 05/15/2006 4:38:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

I searched but did not see a thread already open for tonights speech. I think this is the most important speech the President will probably make for the remainder of his term.


Mod Note:
This could turn into a whack-a-troll thread. All immigration trolls that would like to participate should post here. It'll be interesting to see if we mods can whack the trolls faster than they can sign up new accounts.
Jim


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: anchorbabies; bohica; borderspeech; bush; bushspeech; criminalaliens; enforcement; govwatch; guestworker; incompetence; invasion; scamnesty; shamnesty; speech; temporaryworker; test; trojanhorse
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Maybe when the garbage lands in his backyard

>>>You can criticize me for wanting the borders closed when you take an honest look at the affect this is having on my State and States around me.


3,141 posted on 05/16/2006 10:01:58 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
That's what I'm thinking, too... the Sandbar on the river above us here used to be a popular weekend gathering spot for boaters, then it was taken over by hispanics and they started physically chasing boaters off, there was some assaults and even reports of a couple of rapes.

They just throw their cans and other trash in the water for the current to sweep down into the lake. I understand the same thing is happening on the rivers feeding the lakes above Phoenix as well. At this rate, soon our beautiful, previously clean, rivers and lakes will look like they belong in a third world nation.

3,143 posted on 05/16/2006 10:07:33 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: caryatid

Since I haven't said that, I must first be certain that you don't think I support that. I don't.

However, the Bible does support one instance that I know of in which a horde of illegal aliens invaded and overthrew a legitimate government.

That was when Joshua led the Children of Israel into the Promised Land and displaced the people currently living there.

There are also references in the bible to non-citizens being intentionally settled in a country not their own in order to provide a more docile population. I believe that both Assyria and Babylon followed that practice.

That is where the Samaritans came from. (Think: Parable of the Good Samaritan.)


3,144 posted on 05/16/2006 10:12:13 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: ideas_over_party

Reality, my friend .. reality.


3,145 posted on 05/16/2006 10:15:45 AM PDT by STARWISE (((They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL autho)
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To: xzins
However, the Bible does support one instance that I know of in which a horde of illegal aliens invaded and overthrew a legitimate government.

You are forgetting G-d's word through Jeremiah. Israel was told to stand down and take their punishment, but they refused the foreign subjugation and were subsequently disposessed of the land.

3,146 posted on 05/16/2006 10:21:43 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Ok.

Bush said he's not going to effectively control the border, and he's going to effectively grant an amnesty.

What do you do politically now?


3,147 posted on 05/16/2006 10:23:45 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (La nuit tombe.)
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To: papertyger

That was with the Babylonian captivity, and you are correct. Israel had the chance to listen to God.

The invasion of Palestine by Joshua & the COI might also have been preceded by a period of time in which God gave those nations an opportunity to repent.

The Bible doesn't specifically say so, but it indicates it when God informs Abraham (?) that the sin of the Canaanites had not yet reached its fullness....and therefore, that He would not have the land dispossessed for another 400 years or so.


3,148 posted on 05/16/2006 10:29:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: Trout-Mouth
There is little actual criminal corruption in my opinion. What I see is corruption by power. Both parties have either a right of center or left of center ideology, and generally action on that ideology. Unfortunately, when they get power, too many of them forget their ideology when perpetuating their power.

We have some great people there, like Senators Coburn and DeMint that follow their principles first. Others like Ted Stevens is only interested in building bridges to nowhere.
3,149 posted on 05/16/2006 10:31:40 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Vicomte13

What I've been doing; continue to put pressure on my congressional representative and one of my two senators (since McCain is hopeless).


3,150 posted on 05/16/2006 10:40:59 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

The great people like Scalia are few and generally impotent to represent any real change. That is why the RINO thing really irrates me. They do contribute something--it is better than no majority although it does make you wonder who is in the majority. Isn't this conservative thing as extremist and counter-productive as the left when it comes to party? Wonder who has the numbers in a conservative (excluding RINO's) and the left socialists comparison?


3,151 posted on 05/16/2006 10:44:39 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th (Send-a-Brick.com. Send a brick to Washington and cash to Minutemen for a wall.)
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To: Texasforever; Iscool
So now we are using the John Birch Society, the looniest of the loony right as a source of FreeRepublic.

You were quoting the hell out of the Southern Poverty Law Center last week, for crying out loud.

3,152 posted on 05/16/2006 10:46:41 AM PDT by jmc813 (The best mathematical equation I have ever seen: 1 cross + 3 nails= 4 given.)
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To: Trout-Mouth

I have heard it said that conservative make up about 40% of American voters. This is probably close. I suspect Liberals a bit less (35%) and the rest moderates.

Conservative can attract a majority for a large part of their agenda. National Security and Crime will usually garner majority support. Social issues like Gay Marriage and Abortion are more complicated. The majority support conservatives on this, but don't what the government meddling one way or the other in people's lives.

Unfortunately, to balance the budget, people want it but don't seem willing to gore their own ox. Our government has some many middle class subsidies benefits, that modest trimming can usually be grandstanded by the left, making change difficult, therefore spending is out of control.


3,153 posted on 05/16/2006 10:54:08 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: ideas_over_party

I see you are fine with sacrificing every principle you have.

I'm not.
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Glad to hear it. So when the libs take over and we get REAL amnesty, more liberal federal justices, huge tax increases, defense cuts, more abortion on demand, gay marriage and capitulation in the War on Terror, at least you'll have your "principles".

Tell me, was Walter Mondale worth electing, because Ronald Reagan ended up granting amnesty in 1986? If you had it to do again, would you have elected Mondale?

You utter fool.


3,154 posted on 05/16/2006 10:55:58 AM PDT by Deo et Patria
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To: xzins
I have no problem with a nation having immigration and naturalization laws. We have a unique situation with our southern border in that we are a rich nation bordering a 3rd world nation. OF COURSE some of those folks from that land of poverty and exploding population are going to come up here.

Your scriptural research is insightful. But as long as we tolerate such a corrupt government in Mexico, we will see no easing of these problems.

We need to close our borders and stop helping the oligarchs of Mexico to stay in power and oppress their people, causing them to live in an unnecessary and degrading poverty. The people who are fleeing to the U.S. are the precisely the ones who should stay in Mexico to reform that government.

Let's not confuse charity with aiding and abetting a cruel and corrupt government.
3,155 posted on 05/16/2006 10:58:41 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Arizona Carolyn

"What I've been doing; continue to put pressure on my congressional representative and one of my two senators (since McCain is hopeless)."

How?

Do you vote for McCain or the Democrat, or not vote?


3,156 posted on 05/16/2006 11:07:35 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (La nuit tombe.)
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To: Vicomte13

McCain isn't running for four more years. He had no GOP opposition two years ago. I will never vote for a democrat, have never voted for a dem in my life, though, in his case, I may change my mind about that in four more years -- provided people are smart enough to keep him out of the Whitehouse in '08.


3,157 posted on 05/16/2006 11:10:13 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

"You can criticize me for wanting the borders closed when you take an honest look at the affect this is having on my State and States around me."

Hear, hear. I'm in Las Vegas, Nevada. Huge impact here. People in the country club set are blind.


3,158 posted on 05/16/2006 11:12:11 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Vicomte13
>>>If I were a Border Conservative, I would be livid at what the President did last night. He firmly, resolutely, and diplomatically gave them nothing they wanted<<<

Yup, no fancy dinner, no wine, no flowers ... not even the courtesy of a reach a________
3,159 posted on 05/16/2006 11:20:13 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: FastCoyote
You're right and we probably see it even more than you who live there, every time we go over there to shop or go to the airport, etc., I can see how the problem is escalating --

I couldn't belive Dingy Harry having the ba!!$ to stand up and say every time one of us stays in a hotel we should thank an illegal immigrant... did he lose what brain cells he has left last summer when he had his stroke?

3,160 posted on 05/16/2006 11:23:58 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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