Posted on 05/15/2006 8:37:59 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
I guess it is like NOW and Clinton's treatment of Monica, Kathleen, Jennifer, Juanita, et. al.
Why US workers should not be "wimpy" but their employers should have all advantages?
I'm not for open borders, as I said, but this assumption that Americans at any level not being to take the heat of competition from some immigration is frankly insulting to Americans.
Are you saying that American workers should support open borders for the sake of more competition?
Trouble is our public schools have been dumbed down, and no one is willing to put the pressure on kids (they rarely put pressure on themselves) to actually compete in math and hard sciences. That is why our PhD programs are all full of Asians and people from India. Our kids, thanks to our wonderfully expensive public schools, can't or won't compete.
Not true - they have a lot of practical experience. Or maybe they have too much ("overqualified").
NUTTY
"Are we a whiny, wimpy, cant-do culture afraid of our shadow, or a self-reliant, self-confident can-do society?"
"Why US workers should not be "wimpy" but their employers should have all advantages?"
Last I checked all companies are subject to global competition. US workers - no matter what we do on immigration - are subject to global competititon forces.
If we dont let an immigrant come here to work for a US drug firm, a German drug firm could hire equivalent in Dehli and compete against us.
Er, are you *against* US companies having advantages?!?
You want to give the advantages to Chinese and German firms?!?
"I'm not for open borders, as I said, but this assumption that Americans at any level not being to take the heat of competition from some immigration is frankly insulting to Americans. "
"Are you saying that American workers should support open borders for the sake of more competition?"
I said what I said. If you think competition would put Americans out of jobs, you underestimate American workers.
I never said I support "open borders".
"Trouble is our public schools have been dumbed down, and no one is willing to put the pressure on kids (they rarely put pressure on themselves) to actually compete in math and hard sciences. That is why our PhD programs are all full of Asians and people from India. Our kids, thanks to our wonderfully expensive public schools, can't or won't compete."
You are right. I see it with our own kids, where we do extra as parents to keep them ahead of the curve. my 8-year old knows much of the periodic table, something I didnt grasp until I was much older. something he wont see in school until ... when?!? ... A lot of the public school education is mush.
that being said, we still produce a lot of good engineering grads in the US. The other factor, that jobs *are* available and our culture lacks patience, leads many to take jobs instead of post-grad education.
This will likely hit me in the career at some point if passed in the next 10 years. Damn.
Thanks for the ping
The figures are staggering, people don't talk enough about the impact it will all have.
Staggering numbers!
Senator Sessions is going to be on Lou Dobbs tonight, talking about these numbers. Watch to see Lou Dobbs' head explode...
Just read this....unbelievable that it would even be contemplated.
That being said, my salary as a research scientist is about 35% above the prevailing wage as given by the Dept of Labor. Almost all of the PhD's I know working in the U.S. under the H1B program are paid much higher than the prevailing wage and, at these high wages, thre is still trouble finding Americans. And I've seen the same 3% unemployment figures in my field, too.
I cannot speak for waht is commonly called the "High Tech Sector" but that sounds like a horse of a different color compared to research and industrial opportunities in the hard sciences and engineering.
I just called my 2 Senators. Enforcement only starting NOW. Then talk to me next year about guest workers IF you can show RESULTS!
I do agree that a point systems would be open to severe political abuse. I can just imagine the contrast between what a Dem administration would award points for and what a Republican administration would do. Essentially just multiply the points from one part by -1 to get the points for the other party.
The points for family are granted, I believe, for family that can supply support for the immigrant. It's like the system already in place, but not enforced. If you bring in a family member, you have to sign an affidavidt of support where you promise to repay any social services your relatives you sponsor may use. Just enforce that provision, along with punishing the employers of illegals and the situation would be self adjusting.
"Does the President qualify as a pro-border-jumper office holder?"
In my mind he does.
This will guarantee a democratic majority in perpetuity. This is the democrats DREAM COME TRUE!
He must be referring to the jobs of the future requiring Masters or PhD's in the math, engineering and hard sciences (too much of that darn hard, work, studying and effort required there for American kids).
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