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Sessions Unveils Massive Numerical Impact Of Senate Immigration Bill
Sessions' website ^ | May 15, 2006 | Unknown

Posted on 05/15/2006 8:37:59 AM PDT by 3AngelaD

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To: bordergal

I guess it is like NOW and Clinton's treatment of Monica, Kathleen, Jennifer, Juanita, et. al.


121 posted on 05/15/2006 12:49:35 PM PDT by kabar
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To: WOSG
Are we a whiny, wimpy, cant-do culture afraid of our shadow, or a self-reliant, self-confident can-do society?

Why US workers should not be "wimpy" but their employers should have all advantages?

I'm not for open borders, as I said, but this assumption that Americans at any level not being to take the heat of competition from some immigration is frankly insulting to Americans.

Are you saying that American workers should support open borders for the sake of more competition?

122 posted on 05/15/2006 12:51:41 PM PDT by A. Pole (Hush Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: WOSG

Trouble is our public schools have been dumbed down, and no one is willing to put the pressure on kids (they rarely put pressure on themselves) to actually compete in math and hard sciences. That is why our PhD programs are all full of Asians and people from India. Our kids, thanks to our wonderfully expensive public schools, can't or won't compete.


123 posted on 05/15/2006 12:52:49 PM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: RHINO369
"Really? I know people with PhDs who struggle to be employed."

Because a lot of PhD's learn a whole lot of theory but have no practical applied knowledge.

Not true - they have a lot of practical experience. Or maybe they have too much ("overqualified").

124 posted on 05/15/2006 12:53:53 PM PDT by A. Pole (Hush Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: 3AngelaD

NUTTY


125 posted on 05/15/2006 12:55:07 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: A. Pole
They sure as hell know alot. Too much probably. Most real world jobs aren't that difficult, you don't need to prove whats already known you just got to use it. PhDs are usually more research oriented, and the number of research jobs are fairly small.
126 posted on 05/15/2006 12:56:30 PM PDT by RHINO369 (Politicians are not born; they are excreted.)
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To: A. Pole

"Are we a whiny, wimpy, cant-do culture afraid of our shadow, or a self-reliant, self-confident can-do society?"

"Why US workers should not be "wimpy" but their employers should have all advantages?"

Last I checked all companies are subject to global competition. US workers - no matter what we do on immigration - are subject to global competititon forces.
If we dont let an immigrant come here to work for a US drug firm, a German drug firm could hire equivalent in Dehli and compete against us.

Er, are you *against* US companies having advantages?!?
You want to give the advantages to Chinese and German firms?!?


"I'm not for open borders, as I said, but this assumption that Americans at any level not being to take the heat of competition from some immigration is frankly insulting to Americans. "

"Are you saying that American workers should support open borders for the sake of more competition?"

I said what I said. If you think competition would put Americans out of jobs, you underestimate American workers.
I never said I support "open borders".


127 posted on 05/15/2006 1:00:37 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: 3AngelaD

"Trouble is our public schools have been dumbed down, and no one is willing to put the pressure on kids (they rarely put pressure on themselves) to actually compete in math and hard sciences. That is why our PhD programs are all full of Asians and people from India. Our kids, thanks to our wonderfully expensive public schools, can't or won't compete."

You are right. I see it with our own kids, where we do extra as parents to keep them ahead of the curve. my 8-year old knows much of the periodic table, something I didnt grasp until I was much older. something he wont see in school until ... when?!? ... A lot of the public school education is mush.

that being said, we still produce a lot of good engineering grads in the US. The other factor, that jobs *are* available and our culture lacks patience, leads many to take jobs instead of post-grad education.


128 posted on 05/15/2006 1:05:04 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: 3AngelaD

This will likely hit me in the career at some point if passed in the next 10 years. Damn.


129 posted on 05/15/2006 1:05:42 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: SeaBiscuit

Thanks for the ping

The figures are staggering, people don't talk enough about the impact it will all have.


130 posted on 05/15/2006 1:25:57 PM PDT by stopem (America is NOT Fox's employment agency!)
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To: 3AngelaD

Staggering numbers!


131 posted on 05/15/2006 1:26:20 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: chesley

Senator Sessions is going to be on Lou Dobbs tonight, talking about these numbers. Watch to see Lou Dobbs' head explode...


132 posted on 05/15/2006 1:27:14 PM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: SeaBiscuit

Just read this....unbelievable that it would even be contemplated.


133 posted on 05/15/2006 1:27:50 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: WOSG; A. Pole
WOSG is right. I'm here on an H1B and am in the process of getting permanent residency. The current immigration bill won't have an effect on me except to slow down processing times because of all the illegals flooding the system for amnesty.

That being said, my salary as a research scientist is about 35% above the prevailing wage as given by the Dept of Labor. Almost all of the PhD's I know working in the U.S. under the H1B program are paid much higher than the prevailing wage and, at these high wages, thre is still trouble finding Americans. And I've seen the same 3% unemployment figures in my field, too.

I cannot speak for waht is commonly called the "High Tech Sector" but that sounds like a horse of a different color compared to research and industrial opportunities in the hard sciences and engineering.

134 posted on 05/15/2006 1:29:07 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: 3AngelaD

I just called my 2 Senators. Enforcement only starting NOW. Then talk to me next year about guest workers IF you can show RESULTS!


136 posted on 05/15/2006 1:38:19 PM PDT by Scarchin (www.classdismissedblog.com.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
If the H-4 provisions are changed for extended family members, then it's to much. For a non-employment authorized spouse and dependent kids it's one thing, but not something for the whole tribe to come over!

I do agree that a point systems would be open to severe political abuse. I can just imagine the contrast between what a Dem administration would award points for and what a Republican administration would do. Essentially just multiply the points from one part by -1 to get the points for the other party.

The points for family are granted, I believe, for family that can supply support for the immigrant. It's like the system already in place, but not enforced. If you bring in a family member, you have to sign an affidavidt of support where you promise to repay any social services your relatives you sponsor may use. Just enforce that provision, along with punishing the employers of illegals and the situation would be self adjusting.

137 posted on 05/15/2006 1:39:23 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: ex-Texan

"Does the President qualify as a pro-border-jumper office holder?"

In my mind he does.


138 posted on 05/15/2006 1:40:15 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: 3AngelaD
Wow,,,the democrats must be SALIVATING at the mere thought of that many voters (the vast majority of which WILL be democrats).

This will guarantee a democratic majority in perpetuity. This is the democrats DREAM COME TRUE!

139 posted on 05/15/2006 1:42:59 PM PDT by stockstrader
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To: 3AngelaD
I guess that's what the President is referring to when he cites his oft-repeated, insulting, condescending and ludicrous "JOBS AMERICANS WILL NOT DO" statement.

He must be referring to the jobs of the future requiring Masters or PhD's in the math, engineering and hard sciences (too much of that darn hard, work, studying and effort required there for American kids).

140 posted on 05/15/2006 1:47:51 PM PDT by stockstrader
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