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BUSH: WE CAN'T BOOT 11M ILLEGALS
NY Post ^ | 5/15/06

Posted on 05/15/2006 5:48:16 AM PDT by areafiftyone

May 15, 2006 -- WASHINGTON - In his live, nationally televised address tonight, President Bush will tell Americans that it's impossible to deport the estimated 11 million illegal aliens living here.

"We must reject amnesty, but recognize that it is not realistic to round up millions of people and send them home," said White House spokeswoman Maria Tamburri in a preview of Bush's speech.

She said Bush plans to spell out his vision for sealing the border, enforcing the law, and "creating a rational system for workers to come into our country and to do jobs Americans won't do." Bush plans to visit the U.S.-Mexican border this week, and will dispatch his Cabinet to help sell the immigration plan.

The Senate plans to return to the contentious issue this week now that Republicans and Democrats have a deal to plow through controversial amendments. But the House and Senate are far apart on whether to put illegals on a path to citizenship.

Tamburri said Bush would call for "better equipment, increased funding, and advanced technology" to secure the border.

She didn't confirm press reports that Bush wants to expand deployments of National Guard Troops to step up border enforcement. Some Guard troops are already deployed in Arizona and New Mexico, but Bush is considering a big increase.

White House National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley said that enforcement was the Border Patrol's job - but then asked whether they needed help from the Guard on an "interim basis."

"This is not about militarizing the border," he said. The president is looking to do everything he can to secure the border. It's what the American people want."

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; deportation; fraud; gutlessrino; jorgearbustoisback; sham
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To: Wonder Warthog
No, at the end of 10 years we could have potentially deported THIRTY million.

So magically we have gone from the capacity to deport 1.5 million per year to 3 million per year. Wonderful since it would occur in the face of ever increasing and intense legal challenges by the ACLU and other advocacy groups. But I guess things just work out for the best in your world because you want them to.

Again a nice attempted dodge on the "legitamcy" issue. I was not addressing the legitamacy of the aliens, but rather the legitamcy of the premise that you can deport 11 million. Still haven't seen you address that on a practical basis.

I question whether you can control the borders without having control of the illegal population already within the country. If there is a community of illegals for them to enter, the motivated ones will find a way to get in and join it. I am a strong proponent of controlling the borders, but you cannot control the borders without gaining control of the illegal community within the borders. You can't do that if deportation is the primary solution.

581 posted on 05/15/2006 8:09:46 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: You Dirty Rats

Probably not against Tom. I meant republicans in general.
susie


582 posted on 05/15/2006 8:10:00 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: RodgerD

It makes us sound lazy and elitist.


583 posted on 05/15/2006 8:10:05 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: null and void

>I was a bus boy and a janitor when I was in High School. I couldn't get those jobs today. When my son is ready for his first entry level job, where he is supposed to build on his work ethic and start learning work skills, those jobs simply won't be available to him.<

Teenagers who are willing to work can still find employment.The Chic-Fillets of the world would much prefer to hire a smart well spoken teenager than somone who can not speak or comprehend Englis.

The problem has been the economy the last few summers has not provided advanced employment for college students.This has driven them into competing with the younger workers for the entry level jobs.


584 posted on 05/15/2006 8:10:27 AM PDT by Blessed
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To: misterrob

What's the point? If you won't protect the homeland when there is a "war on terror" and wide open borders, the rest is a big waste of soldier's lives.

No thanks.

Homeland first, rest of the world second.


585 posted on 05/15/2006 8:11:12 AM PDT by bordergal
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To: areafiftyone

Note to Pres Bush: You are wrong. Give them 90 days to exit the country. If they do not, they will be spending 10 years in jail - no bail, no parole. And if any employer hires an illegal - knowingly or unknowingly - they get one year in jail and $10,000 fine for each violation.

Trust me - it will work.


586 posted on 05/15/2006 8:11:28 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: jveritas
How many employers are you going to fine for this to happen? 2%, 10%, 30%?.... It will not happen and you must get realistic about this issue.

I think if you will tolerate employment of these people, you must, in fairness, legalize them.

I think YOU are being unrealistic about the deterrent effect of proper employer enforcement, though.

Let's say, for example, that years ago I had hired an illegal nanny (just pretend). Let's say that the hypothetical me had said, "I won't get caught, and if I do, I'll pay the taxes and the fine".

Now, strict cost-beneft analysis says this works, especially if you want a culturally-appropriate nanny.

Now, suppose there was a 1/200 chance of me, many years ago, going to prison for 18 months for hiring this hypothetical nanny.

There is NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER that I would have done so. NONE.

I think that if 100 employers were sent to prison (this would not be hard at all), the problem would be over.

587 posted on 05/15/2006 8:11:53 AM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: kcvl

I waitressed, cooked and bussed tables to work my way through college. That option is no longer open to my children because around here illegals have all those jobs. Restaurants which are hiring even put out big banners saying they speak Spanish.


588 posted on 05/15/2006 8:11:57 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: LadyNavyVet

"And it only takes a few election cycles for the newly legalized to start voting Democrat."

I wonder how many of them would actually become citizens - throughout the "protests" and "boycotts", not many talked about wanting it - they were just demanding the rights citizens get. I don't think many of thought of the implications beyond the goodies the libs promise them, and the idea of getting the INS off their back. Do you really think they want to see 40-50% of their incomes disapear overnight? To have to stand in line with the rest of us? Pay taxes? Pay for healthcare? Pay for education?

Fox has on more than one occasion spoken of an open border for seasonal migration, that sure doesnt sound like citizenship to me.


589 posted on 05/15/2006 8:12:07 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: dirtboy

So, dirtboy, are you saying that if NO legislation was being considered, there wouldn't be a hoopla about this?


590 posted on 05/15/2006 8:12:09 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Hostage
Yeah that's the first thing I noticed. It shows the President is out of touch and has lost his ability to sense the mood of the electorate.

It is a completely innecessary phrase "jobs Americans won't do". It gains absolutely nothing in a political sense and it makes one wonder why he uses it

Yeah, especially as you(hostage) go to your job tomorrow picking asparagus.

You all are so freaking transparent, that sometimes you all could make nancy pelosi blush about phoniness.

591 posted on 05/15/2006 8:12:31 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Rebelbase
Plenty of American felons make their living on roofing crews, that is until the Mexicans move in and undercut wages by 25-50%.

They have their old professions to fall back on, though...

592 posted on 05/15/2006 8:12:48 AM PDT by null and void (Islam wasn't hijacked on 9/11. It was exposed.)
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To: areafiftyone
Every illegal immigrant must be deported if we are to remain a sovereign nation!

Yes its hard! Yes it will take time! Yes it will cost money!

Without the effort, we will NOT have a Nation anymore!
593 posted on 05/15/2006 8:13:00 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: Earthdweller

I'm sorry, I forgot, Jan. of '04 on an immigration thread, there appeared to be a purge. This is not a new phnomenom on FR. It's been building. Americans saw what was at stake during the millions of illegals marching down our streets demanding citizenship.


594 posted on 05/15/2006 8:13:04 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: goldstategop

What you said is the plain and simple truth.. but your not supposed to do that, your supposed to just shut up and take it according to all who want to make excuses for this massive sellout of Americans.


595 posted on 05/15/2006 8:13:20 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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To: Miss Marple
Aren't you curious about why they suddenly felt the urge to demonstrate in all of the major cities?

The original (and most successful) protest in Los Angeles was organized by Hispanic media in opposition to HR 4437. It caught everybody by surprise, including the LA Times and other regular media channels. It was designed to oppose Republicans and galvanize support for Dems. There wasn't any master strategy in terms of "dividing" the GOP.

Btw, I'm probably one of the few people on this board that regularly hunts down and explores SoCal ethnic neighborhoods in search of good eats (my wife is addicted to a certain dish called 'Molcajete'). We're almost always the only anglos people in these joints.

The point of this digression? HR 4437 dominates the billboards, including advertisements for Hispanic talk radio, etc. It's a very big deal for them - straight from the heart. I for one do not believe that there's any puppet masters manipulating both them and the GOP.

596 posted on 05/15/2006 8:14:04 AM PDT by lemura
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To: BohDaThone

I'm just looking for a little honesty from the government. A simple *pro* *con* chart would work. And include everything, not just selective spin points. Like money contributed to our treasury, along with crime statistics. The numbers are there. For everything, both for and against. Then take a rational, realistic look at the bottom line. Numbers do not lie. But politicians..


597 posted on 05/15/2006 8:14:20 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual...if they sense scorn or ridicule, they'll flee)
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To: Miss Marple
Do me a favor. Go back and check when your first post about illegal immigration was.

Actually, I used to me more neutral on the issue until the anti-illegal immigration camp made the case as to how important the issue was.

Now I know that there were occasional discussions about it on FR, but for goodness sake, Bush campaigned about this in both 2000 and 2004 and there was hardly a peep here! So why has this become such an all-out war on FR and within the party?

Mainly because it is now being actively legislated. Before, it was just a proposal - and back then, folks were saying we needed to secure the borders and hold off on any amnesty. But the threat of legislation tends to bring out folks on all sides - we didn't see hundreds of thousands of illegals in the street 18 months ago, either.

For example, if tonight the President calls for first securing the border and then a guest worker program next year, how many will simply say "too late, he won't enforce it, he doesn't mean it, etc?"

Oh, some will, because Bush hasn't done a very good job on both border security and internal enforcement. If he outlines a serious proposal to improve border security and defers his guest worker proposal, that will be good enough for me - but I will also be looking to see if he follows through on it.

598 posted on 05/15/2006 8:14:23 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Vote 4 Nixon
For Gods sake, Lincoln freed the blacks from the brutal servitude of slavery. How many of them do you see voting GOP today???

Never mind that, the Mexicans in the streets are all carrying "Down with Bush" signs.

Bush won't have to wait 100 years for these people to become Democrats, they're Democrats RIGHT NOW.

599 posted on 05/15/2006 8:14:36 AM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: LadyNavyVet

You are confusing two issues. If we have no Republican majority we cannot move the country to the right AT ALL. If we Keep the majority, we can forestall Some of the illegal voting that the dems hope to use to influence elections. If we keep the majority, perhaps the conservative message [personal responsibility] will appeal to new Legal American citizens. People who think that Bush advocates instant amnesty/citizenship/voting rights and think that the correct way to stop this is to bash Bush are not looking down the road at the spectre of Dem control of Congress and White House.


600 posted on 05/15/2006 8:14:37 AM PDT by maica ( We have a destination in mind, and that is a freer world. -- G W Bush)
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