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To: MACVSOG68
Which of course has absolutely nothing to do with the causes of homosexuality.

I am not an orthodox or ecumenical atheist, there are no such things...

Cause is a matter only of thought and perverse use of anatomy...

Was Freudian psychoanalytic theory of sexual stages in psychological development more accurate than accredited? The Michael Jackson Complex is fixation on mutilation of and deviance with human anatomy in the media. It is a social psychosis catering to the lowest common denominator and generated with Pavlovian behavioral conditioning in popular culture.

Should we really be canonizing special societal privileges in secular law based on idolatrous fetishes?

The use of the language is so very twisted by the Leftist radicals, that in our touchy-feely world, many blindly accept erroneous terminology. XX or XY chromosomes are immutable after conception when mitosis begins. People are either genetically male or female. There are genetic abnormalities/defects, but these people are sterile. [XO (Turner syndrome), XXY (Klinefelter syndrome), XXX (poly-X syndrome), and XYY (Jacob syndrome).] No matter how many X-chromosomes there are, any individual with the Y-chromosome develops into a male. The abnormalities are so few, only one in several thousands occurs. So much for the "gay" gene - - it does not exist. It is a phantasm, an ‘endeavor by dark and erroneous doctrines’ to occlude the light of truth about nature. It is not a procreant genotype.

Homosexual perversions are no more genetic than child molesting or rape.

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As for Genesis, yes most Americans believe the Bible, but also recognize most of the early books in it are written in metaphors,...

Either they believe it or they do not.

Today, "morals" are defined by a quasi-religious pagan philosophy based on esoteric hobgoblins. A greater number of "atheists" and "pagans" adopt the same hackneyed tenets of a false Judaic-Christian ideal (golden calf). They also subscribe to the Judaic fetishism of "sin," but will fight to their death in denial of it. Most of them are so wrapped up in their own polemics that they have become nothing more than pathetic anti-Christians with the same false hypocritical philosophy. They just slap a new label on it hoping nobody will notice - - they replace the idea of "avoiding sin" with "morals."

Morality and all of its associated concepts are from the belief some higher power defines what is correct in human behavior. Today, "morals" are a religious pagan philosophy of esoteric hobgoblins. Transfiguration is a pantheon of fantasies as the medium of infinitization. Others get derision for having an unwavering Judaic belief in Yahweh or Yeshua, although their critics and enemies will evangelize insertion of phantasmagoric fetishisms into secular law.

Mosaic Law (of which the Ten Commandments is just a part) is the foundation of Western Civilization. Genesis is the primary focus of the Declaration of Independence, from where our Constitutional rights are derived. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our judicial system.

Moses wrote Genesis. This is why such people will jump up and down screaming when the Ten Commandments are displayed or the Creationist idea of monogamy from the book of Genesis is introduced.

The latter (Genesis) also ruins the illogical and non-biological arguments of homosexual monogamy. In a secular sense, homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. It is in no way an anatomical function of the human organism, but a phantasmagoric creation from within the mentally disturbed human mind, a social psychosis, naked and on full exhibitionist display.

This is the whole crux of their attack on creationism - - they are really frustrated by Genesis, but cannot destroy the axiomatic state of procreant human biology, it does not fit their religious agenda.

Homosexual monogamy advocates seek ceremonious sanctification of their anatomical perversions and esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden, impoverished egos.

Neither of those will satisfy their universal dissatisfaction with mortality or connect them to something eternal. With pantheons of fantasies as their medium of infinitization, they still have nothing in them of reality, any more than there is in the things that seem to stand before us in a dream.

Homosexual deviancy is really a pagan practice (and a self-induced social psychosis) at war with the Judaic culture over what is written in the book of Genesis (1:27, 2:18).

This is exactly what the National Socialists were at war with... so, when someone uses the term "Gaystapo," they might not realize how close to the truth they really are.

Many will seek ceremonious sanctification and esoteric absolution in some type of marriage rite, but that still fails to give them a connection to the eternal in both a religious and temporal, procreant sense - - the union does not produce offspring.

Dissatisfaction with inevitable mortality only feeds the impoverishment of the ego further. Homosexuals really hate human life; their whole desire is rooted in the destruction of it...

Contemplate the religious fervor associated with the pro-abortion advocacy. The societal practice of abortion is ritual mass murder upon the altars of conceit dedicated to idolatrous vanities, a collective human sacrifice before pagan idols.

It has a similitude to the Teutonic paganism of Adolph Hitler (whose idolatry was the idea of a "master race," among other things). In effect, these genocides are a mass human sacrifice to those pagan idols. The abortionists, like the National Socialists, incinerate the remains of their victims.

Aleister Crowley, who openly supported the National Socialists, was affiliated with Ordo Templi Orientis, A.A. (Order of the Silver Star) and other such occult lodges all across Germany. Crowley engaged in all manner of deviancy, homoeroticism, sadomasochism and murder. Much of the occultism in National Socialism is derived directly from there. Crowley envisioned himself as the Great Beast (To Mega Therion), just as der Fuhrer made himself in that image. Hitler's life as a struggling, inept artist was where that association blossomed.

Crowley's creed, "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law," (which is actually from Francois Rabelais) and used by Neo-Pagan nutcases without attribution for obvious politically correct reasons, is with certainty no different than the National Socialist "will to power," or their ubermensch mentality.

It is also no accident Nietzsche's "over-man" and nihilist philosophy and resulting insanity from venereal disease closely mirrors the insanity of der Fuhrer.

These occult orders, sex and drug cults still survive today, as do the Neo-pagan, Neo-Nazi groups, black supremacist Rastafarian potheads, prison gangs and other related filth.

Crowley occultism is also from where L. Ron Hubbard emerges with Scientology. Note the NAZI symbolism of that kooky cult of weirdos.

218 posted on 05/16/2006 6:33:37 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I appreciate your lengthy discussion. I have a couple of points to contest, or at least give a different view.

Cause is a matter only of thought and perverse use of anatomy...

Cause is that which is the reason for a condition. Scientists and medical professionals are still searching for the "causes" of homosexuality. Religious convictions cannot account for it, only condemn it. Many religious fanatics continue to say it is simply a choice. I doubt that, as do most Americans. Your explanation fails to explain the "attraction" but jumps straight to the conduct.

Should we really be canonizing special societal privileges in secular law based on idolatrous fetishes?

I'm not sure what special privileges you are referring to. If it is gay marriage, the answer for me is no. If it is to permit gays and lesbians to engage in private conduct then of course that is a basic right...the right to privacy, and is protected by the Constitution. It is not a special privilege.

Homosexual perversions are no more genetic than child molesting or rape.

The point is that you do not know, because if you do, you know something the world of science doesn't. I have no idea if it's genetic or if it is caused by something after conception. Most do believe that it is one or the other. No one knew that particular genes causes particular illnesses either until recently. The answer will not be found in a fundamentalist congregation. But it will be found. Having said that, of course our society will not permit child molesting or rape. But the activities of two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home, or if in public, consistent with the conduct permitted of all people, is absolutely no business of anyone but them.

Mosaic Law (of which the Ten Commandments is just a part) is the foundation of Western Civilization. Genesis is the primary focus of the Declaration of Independence, from where our Constitutional rights are derived. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our judicial system.

The framers of the Constitution were religious, but definitely created a secular state. We are a nation of Christians, but we are not a Christian state. We are a republic. The supreme law of this land is the Constitution, not any religious book or belief. Yes, Judeo-Christian philosophy likely impacted the Bill of Rights, but the framers were very specific about both protection of religious freedom while ensuring the government did not rule by religious law.

The latter (Genesis) also ruins the illogical and non-biological arguments of homosexual monogamy. In a secular sense, homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. It is in no way an anatomical function of the human organism, but a phantasmagoric creation from within the mentally disturbed human mind, a social psychosis, naked and on full exhibitionist display.

However, we do not want our lawmakers looking to Genesis to decide how to interpret the 14th Amendment. Also, I don't mind mentioning that even in heterosexual relationships, sex is engaged in rarely for the purpose of procreation, and in any case, many of those acts could not result in procreation.

Homosexual monogamy advocates seek ceremonious sanctification of their anatomical perversions and esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden, impoverished egos.

I don't know. I watched Mary Cheney's interview and saw none of that. I saw a sincere, intelligent human being, accepted and loved by her family, in a loving monogamous relationship. I may not understand it, nor would I vote for marriage in her case, but I still respect her. She makes more sense in one sentence that the Homosexual Ping List has in a thousand posts.

Neither of those will satisfy their universal dissatisfaction with mortality or connect them to something eternal.

I'm hard pressed to believe that if they lead good lives and believe in God, that somehow He will not take that into consideration. But then, He may have confided in you more than me.

Contemplate the religious fervor associated with the pro-abortion advocacy. The societal practice of abortion is ritual mass murder upon the altars of conceit dedicated to idolatrous vanities, a collective human sacrifice before pagan idols.

I'm sure that you are aware of the policies of the Catholic Church for over 1200 years on abortion aren't you? If not, I suspect you would be amazed. Search for the concept of delayed ensoulment, and how "animation" determined when the fetus was a human being.

Crowley engaged in all manner of deviancy, homoeroticism, sadomasochism and murder.

I presume you have followed the trial of the Catholic priest just convicted of a ritualistic murder of a nun? And what of all of those pedophile priests over the years? Evil is not neatly contained in just certain segments of society.

219 posted on 05/16/2006 1:43:48 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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