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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I appreciate your lengthy discussion. I have a couple of points to contest, or at least give a different view.

Cause is a matter only of thought and perverse use of anatomy...

Cause is that which is the reason for a condition. Scientists and medical professionals are still searching for the "causes" of homosexuality. Religious convictions cannot account for it, only condemn it. Many religious fanatics continue to say it is simply a choice. I doubt that, as do most Americans. Your explanation fails to explain the "attraction" but jumps straight to the conduct.

Should we really be canonizing special societal privileges in secular law based on idolatrous fetishes?

I'm not sure what special privileges you are referring to. If it is gay marriage, the answer for me is no. If it is to permit gays and lesbians to engage in private conduct then of course that is a basic right...the right to privacy, and is protected by the Constitution. It is not a special privilege.

Homosexual perversions are no more genetic than child molesting or rape.

The point is that you do not know, because if you do, you know something the world of science doesn't. I have no idea if it's genetic or if it is caused by something after conception. Most do believe that it is one or the other. No one knew that particular genes causes particular illnesses either until recently. The answer will not be found in a fundamentalist congregation. But it will be found. Having said that, of course our society will not permit child molesting or rape. But the activities of two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home, or if in public, consistent with the conduct permitted of all people, is absolutely no business of anyone but them.

Mosaic Law (of which the Ten Commandments is just a part) is the foundation of Western Civilization. Genesis is the primary focus of the Declaration of Independence, from where our Constitutional rights are derived. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our judicial system.

The framers of the Constitution were religious, but definitely created a secular state. We are a nation of Christians, but we are not a Christian state. We are a republic. The supreme law of this land is the Constitution, not any religious book or belief. Yes, Judeo-Christian philosophy likely impacted the Bill of Rights, but the framers were very specific about both protection of religious freedom while ensuring the government did not rule by religious law.

The latter (Genesis) also ruins the illogical and non-biological arguments of homosexual monogamy. In a secular sense, homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. It is in no way an anatomical function of the human organism, but a phantasmagoric creation from within the mentally disturbed human mind, a social psychosis, naked and on full exhibitionist display.

However, we do not want our lawmakers looking to Genesis to decide how to interpret the 14th Amendment. Also, I don't mind mentioning that even in heterosexual relationships, sex is engaged in rarely for the purpose of procreation, and in any case, many of those acts could not result in procreation.

Homosexual monogamy advocates seek ceremonious sanctification of their anatomical perversions and esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden, impoverished egos.

I don't know. I watched Mary Cheney's interview and saw none of that. I saw a sincere, intelligent human being, accepted and loved by her family, in a loving monogamous relationship. I may not understand it, nor would I vote for marriage in her case, but I still respect her. She makes more sense in one sentence that the Homosexual Ping List has in a thousand posts.

Neither of those will satisfy their universal dissatisfaction with mortality or connect them to something eternal.

I'm hard pressed to believe that if they lead good lives and believe in God, that somehow He will not take that into consideration. But then, He may have confided in you more than me.

Contemplate the religious fervor associated with the pro-abortion advocacy. The societal practice of abortion is ritual mass murder upon the altars of conceit dedicated to idolatrous vanities, a collective human sacrifice before pagan idols.

I'm sure that you are aware of the policies of the Catholic Church for over 1200 years on abortion aren't you? If not, I suspect you would be amazed. Search for the concept of delayed ensoulment, and how "animation" determined when the fetus was a human being.

Crowley engaged in all manner of deviancy, homoeroticism, sadomasochism and murder.

I presume you have followed the trial of the Catholic priest just convicted of a ritualistic murder of a nun? And what of all of those pedophile priests over the years? Evil is not neatly contained in just certain segments of society.

219 posted on 05/16/2006 1:43:48 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68
Cause is that which is the reason for a condition.

Thoughts are not a condition... Cause is a matter only of thought...

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Many religious fanatics continue to say it is simply a choice.

Like I said, I am not an orthodox atheist...

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Your explanation fails to explain the "attraction" but jumps straight to the conduct.

No explanation is needed, the axiomatic state of mammalian reproductive biology and nature needs none, nor does it require human permission.

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...the right to privacy, and is protected by the Constitution.

For starters, the word “privacy” is not in the Constitution. Secondly, a public display or declaration betrays any privacy, as does public money...

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The point is that you do not know, because if you do, you know something the world of science doesn't. The answer will not be found in a fundamentalist congregation.

The “world of science” cannot even cure the common cold.

What does the religionist have to do with anything that pertains to me? I am not an ecumenical atheist, as I have told you. The religious smear tactic is an illogical ad hominem...

The answer is found, and it is all rooted in aberrant human thought.

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I saw a sincere, intelligent human being, accepted and loved by her family, in a loving monogamous relationship.

ILLOGICAL.Monogamy denotes a biological procreation she is incapable of with another woman.

You are just as deluded as she is...

But, go ahead bashing the godists all you like, this is one atheist that ain't buying your fantasy religion...

221 posted on 05/16/2006 5:31:00 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: MACVSOG68
I watched Mary Cheney's interview...

You are one of the sheeple...

Radio is the focus of only one of the five senses. A listener has to really tune in to the subject matter and focus on the content of the ideas - - one reason, among others, why so-called "liberal" talk radio has been and is a failure in the free market.

Television is a combination of sensory focus and it is far easier to distract and misdirect viewer attention from essential topics presented.

Considering that 90% of people tend to be more influenced by the visual, television has become a new religion. It is analogous to Plato’s cave allegory and the pagan Oracle of Delphi. Television as a propaganda tool helps create visual phantasms or fantastical images of the brain.

There are three ways people are influenced according to the school of behavioral psychology - - visual (sight), auditory (sound), kinesthetic (emotion). The kinesthetic or ‘feeling’ is also based on olfactory and tactile sense, just like Pavlov’s salivating dogs.

Visual images and sound portrayed can be used to anchor emotional and/or conditioned responses desired by those that present them, which in the case of television, is the Leftist television media, actors who create phantastical images in film, and Leftist politicians who pander to ‘symbolism over substance’ (like Rush Limbaugh always says about them).

The print media somewhat also uses the visual aspects of that phenomenon. Interactive talk radio requires thought; television does not and relies on this as a means to influence viewers. One should also notice the emphasis on interactive talk radio, something both "public radio" and television is careful to avoid; unlike most commercial talk radio programming.

...and you sure don't have a clue when it concerns psychology. Go on salivating... “It was a scientist on television, it has to be true...” LOL!

Was Freudian psychoanalytic theory of sexual stages in psychological development more accurate than accredited? The Michael Jackson Complex is fixation on mutilation of and deviance with human anatomy in the media. It is a social psychosis catering to the lowest common denominator and generated with Pavlovian behavioral conditioning in popular culture.

Should we really be canonizing special societal privileges in the law based on idolatrous fetishes?

222 posted on 05/16/2006 5:52:01 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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