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Cheney's gay daughter hits Bush stance on gay marriage
AFP ^ | May 14, 2006

Posted on 05/14/2006 5:03:17 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

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To: conserv13; Hildy
Thanks...

The 18th amendment tried to restrict our rights and we repealed it. Of course don't hold your breath on the 16th amendment being repealed any time soon.

61 posted on 05/14/2006 7:08:49 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: conserv13

sigh,,,,

The federal marriage amendment is actually one of those rare laws which puts government OUT of peoples lives.

It takes the issue away from the courts and away from politicians.


62 posted on 05/14/2006 7:12:29 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Not all forms of discrimination are bad.


63 posted on 05/14/2006 7:16:11 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: trashcanbred
The Constitution should only restrict the power of the government, not the rights of people.

That's exactly what an amendment would do: restrict the government from granting recognition to gay marriage. It would not restrict people from doing what people do.

64 posted on 05/14/2006 7:17:41 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: trashcanbred

How would an amendment prohibiting the government from forcing the rest of us to recognize gay marriage restrict anyone's rights? What rights would it restrict?


65 posted on 05/14/2006 7:20:36 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: conserv13
None. But she is the daughter of the VP, who is also against altering the Constitution.

Chelsea Clinton is the daughter of a President, who is also against altering the Constitution to defend the institution of marriage.

66 posted on 05/14/2006 7:22:06 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: conserv13

Can't you see that gay marriage would result in GREATER government involvement in people's lives? The government would become an active policing mechanism in each gay marriage, and it would force the rest of us to acknowledge and accept gay marriage.


67 posted on 05/14/2006 7:25:26 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: trashcanbred

An amendment IS to restrict the power of govt! It restricts the power of COURTS to impose pseudo marriage on people, who have not voted for it, or have voted and are overridden by the courts.

It IS NOT discrimination.


68 posted on 05/14/2006 7:43:33 PM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: JCEccles
That's exactly what an amendment would do: restrict the government from granting recognition to gay marriage.

Nice play with words. Here let me try it too:
"The 18th amendment restricted the government from granting liquor licenses."
"The 16th amendment restricted the government from granting people tax free status"

That was fun...

69 posted on 05/14/2006 7:44:27 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: durasell
I know a bunch of gay couples with kids. None of the kids are gay. If it's a learned behavior, the kids are slow learners.

Homosexual activity IS a behavior - a non-procreative disordered behavior that ANYONE can choose to engage in one time or many times.

Re: "None of the kids are gay" -what exactly does this mean? How did you verify this?

70 posted on 05/14/2006 7:46:29 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: trashcanbred
The Constitution should only restrict the power of the government

In this case -the men in Black Robes...

71 posted on 05/14/2006 7:48:16 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: trashcanbred
Logic isn't your strong suit, is it?

What "right" would an amendment abridge?

72 posted on 05/14/2006 7:52:06 PM PDT by JCEccles
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"It is writing discrimination into the constitution and, as I say, it is fundamentally wrong."

Well too bad... It is kicking activist judges to the curb and, as I say, it is fundamentally right.

Privately living in delusion is one thing -politics though deals in reality --consensus is political power...

As such, "homosexual marriage" will never be accepted let alone allowed -it just takes some time to clue in all the delusional ones as to who is really in charge...

73 posted on 05/14/2006 7:58:59 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Laws are written in very general terms.

If gay marriage is legalized,the law will not say "if you're gay and you want to marry your gay partner, it's okay". The law will simply say "if a person wants to get married, they can either marry someone of the opposite sex or someone of the same sex". In other words, the government will be making no distinction between heterosexuality and homosexuality, as far as considering one to be normal and the other to be abnormal. So the goverment will basically be telling people "don't think of yourself as either straight or gay, keep an open mind to going either way".

Such a society would be a return to the decadence of Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece, where there were no rules regarding sexual conduct,
where soldiers had sex with
young boys before going off to battle, orgies were commonplace, and prostitutes were considered "holy".

I'm not worried about gay people getting married. I'm worried about straight people being indirectly encouraged by the government to engage in sexual experimentation (otherwise known as sexually deviant behavior).

This is the slippery slope that gay marriage will take us down.


74 posted on 05/14/2006 8:06:54 PM PDT by The Fop
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To: gidget7
Out of 50 states 37 have laws on the books that prohibit same sex marriage. Clintoon signed the Defense of Marriage Act that states for all federal purposed marriage refers to a man and a woman.

Now if a same sex married couple in Mass decides to move out of state and challange the new state's law against same sex marriage based on something like the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, then they have a number of huge hurdles to overcome, least of which is the fact that SCOTUS probably would not allow it given its current state.

If you REALLY want to restrict the power of the courts, then write a REAL amendment that does exactly that. Congress can draft an amendment that puts restrictions on how the courts interpret the constitution. Heck it could repeal the 14th amendment and write a new one that supercedes it if it wanted.

In other words, solve the REAL problem, which is courts are interpreting the constitution in ways that are way beyond its intended meaning. Otherwise, you will be writing amendments until doomsday trying to restrict one small thing after another.

75 posted on 05/14/2006 8:07:18 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: trashcanbred

I like the way you think and I agree.


76 posted on 05/14/2006 8:07:59 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish

What "right" would an amendment abridge?


77 posted on 05/14/2006 8:09:19 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: trashcanbred

What right would an amendment abridge?


78 posted on 05/14/2006 8:10:05 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles
Logic isn't your strong suit, is it?

The law is obviously not yours. Please read my post #75.

The real problem is the courts can interpret the constitution as broad or as narrow as it wants... irregardless of intention of the article or amendment. Why not solve that problem instead of going through the very expensive ordeal of adding an amendment that restricts just gay marriage?

79 posted on 05/14/2006 8:13:33 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: trashcanbred

What right would an amendment abridge?


80 posted on 05/14/2006 8:15:26 PM PDT by JCEccles
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