Posted on 05/14/2006 3:36:23 PM PDT by notes2005
Right on!
My response to that scumbag of a Mexican would be something along the line of:
F U V M !!!
And, I suspect I might be a bit to kind to Fox in that response! *S*
I don't know if you have seen this or if I have posted this to you before but take a look. Bush has a vision that includes using tax dollars to build up foreign economies with direct payments.
| We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture. Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende. For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America. As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico. George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000. |
Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:
In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster
For those dumping on Bush... You have to look at it this way. Look at Bush as a means to an end. The end being "more" conservative policies. I happen to disagree with Bush on immigration as well, but...
Would you rather have Bush and a Republican Congress who is willing to put through 30 - 40% of a Conservative agenda
or
Would you rather have Bush and a Democratic Congress who will probably only end up putting through 5 - 10% of a Conservative agenda... (and of course the Democratic congress will be pushing for impeachment and investigations. Forget anymore conservative SC judges.)
Well there it is then. This is just a show to try to convince the wascally conservatives to not jump ship. Won't work.
Oh please... is the Democratic party any better on this. Immigration is an important issue, but not the only one. Heck, the appointment of another "conservative" Supreme Court justice is just as important.
Well, this gets better and better doesn't it?
Illegal aliens have the right to be heard and have complaints addressed above legal citizens.
And Vicente Fox gets to dictate our legislation.
Just cancel the damn speech if everything being leaked is correct. It'll just be the same sorry excuse for enforcement as before.
If the guard isn't ARMED and isn't on guard duty, what is he sending them to do, deliver pizza?
The best reply of this thread got pulled.
It went something like, "Bush's plan will be meaningless unless it p_sses off Vincente Fox".
That's the benchmark indicator.
"Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said he supported using the National Guard on the Mexican border. He said lawmakers who doubt that the National Guard, whose members have served for years in Iraq and went to the Gulf Coast after last summer's hurricanes, could take on border patrol duty are "whining" and "moaning.""
Of course the plan itself pacifically prohibits the guard from being anything more than a bordercontrol agent buddy. Frist is full of it. He is a rhino.
How is it that with Clinton as president Gingrich and the House was able to push through "The Contract With America" but with the "R's" in charge of the WH and Congress we have to settle for "30 -40%"?
No, it doesn't. For two reasons.
One-Many of us agree that Bush deserves bashing on this issue.
Two-This issue dwarfs all of the other issues. It is the priority. Period. The next real war will be on our southern border. Actually, it is already there. And we are losing it big time.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats."
-Henry Louis Mencken
Actually, if people crossing the border illegally were catapulted back over in little pieces, perhaps Fox would have the Mexican army start patrolling the border on his side.
Nah, no chance of that, right?
IMHO, sounds as if you really dont care what he has to say. He is the president to everyone not just us. Im getting tired of the bashing. We dont even know what he is going to say. Lets listen to him. I know this is a safe place to vent our frustration but its gone just lunatic and completely unforgiven. By the way, I have gotten caught up in it to. My prayers are going out to him this evening.
Mexican President Vicente Fox telephoned President Bush on Sunday to discuss comprehensive immigration reform as members of Congress expressed concern that using National Guard troops to keep illegal immigrants from crossing the border would further burden an overextended military.
Your premise is by framing the debate to your two specific conditions. That is a tactic.
If we accept your premise, we only have 2 choices -- framed by you.
If we don't except your premise, we have other choices.
It may be good to have some out-of-the-box, unframed premises. Otherwise, we will get the choice of HClinton or McCain, Democrat or Republican, more of the same.
Two-This issue dwarfs all of the other issues. It is the priority. Period. The next real war will be on our southern border. Actually, it is already there. And we are losing it big time
Oh but if you get bashed that's whole other thing correct?
I think you deserve bashing for your total kneejerk mindset.
"The president is doing everything he can to secure the border" Really? Just keep kissing Vicente's a$$ Jorge. Sheesh!
These 100 Guardsmen are more or less permanently assigned to these duties. What this rumor calls for is mobilizing large junks of the National Guard and sending them to the border.
If that is what the President advocates and that is what people want, they are being profoundly, stupidly short-sighted. Over the last year, Texas has dispatched a brigade to Iraq and a few hundred troops to Afghanistan. We presently have troops pulling year-long deployments to Kosovo and to the U.N. peacekeeping force in the Sinai. Families and employers are not going to take kindly to sending the troops off to patrol the border. There is only so much a soldier or airman and their families can give without something breaking.
Now, if the President is calling for Aviation support via the full-time technician force, or he wants the force filled out with volunteers, then it might work out very well.
Each State also has its own State Guard which is primarily organized for emergency relief work and military policing. In Texas, that force is something like 4000 men and women strong. The only drawback is there is no mechanism to call them into federal service. I suppose we could revert back to the old pre-1921 mechanism whereby the State Guard enters federal service as U.S. Volunteers.
The last time we did something like this was back when Pershing was chasing Pancho Villa. The National Guards of several states accompanied Pershing into Mexico and others took up encampment along the border. For an idea what it was like, browse through this chapter from the WWI history of the Texas-Oklahoma National Guard (36th ID), The Call To Arms
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