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THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION DOG AND PONY SHOW
Sierra Times ^ | 5/13/2006 | Jim Kouri, CPP

Posted on 05/13/2006 5:49:57 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

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To: TomGuy

I think they are afraid to give the real numbers, because that WOULD rouse the rest of the base out of their slumber.


101 posted on 05/13/2006 8:05:24 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: TomGuy

I believe the number is at least 30 million.

The President's amnesty/guest worker program is nothing more than a gigantic social program aimed at Mexico and illegal aliens, funded by the taxpayers once again.

Compassionate conservativism my foot, what about his compassion for American citizens?

Come November I will vote for noone who supports it.

The problem is NOT complex. Enforce current laws to the point the illegals are afraid to stay here and self deport. We wouldn't need a wall and we wouldn't need military on the border.

I am prepared for just one more dog and pony show Monday. It is guaranteed that his "military on the border" is just a way of fooling a bunch of people and shoving his Mexican social program (amnesty) down our throats.

I am not buying any of it.


102 posted on 05/13/2006 8:06:37 AM PDT by sheana
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To: McGavin999
"Most are LONG gone before the W-2's are ever reported, they've had 3 or 4 jobs before the information hits Austin (where the W-2's are filed). You did know that the only place individual information is filed is at the SSA didn't you? The IRS is not notified directly by the employers."

Hmmm... Seems to me the Goberment didn't have a problem making sure I was who I said I was the last time I bought a gun.

103 posted on 05/13/2006 8:08:20 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

GW has been pushing for amnesty for illegals from his first election. It was heading for passage and then 9-11-01 attacks hit.

That put it on the back burner. The next year, it was pushed again, got through the House (IIRC) and almost got through the Senate. A Senator stopped it, on a technicality. That Senator was Robert Byrd, D-WVA. Had he not stopped it, it would have passed.

It was quietened for the '04 election cycle. Shortly after the election, it was put on the front burner, and here we are....


104 posted on 05/13/2006 8:12:23 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Iwo Jima; MNJohnnie

"I want the GOP to stop doing things that drive conservatives away."

Exactly! I am not whining or b*tching. I am correcting my Party for the same reason I correct my children--because I love them and want them to be the best they can be. I expect things out of my Party, and I will speak up when it is not living up to my expectations. Expressing my desires and expectations does not make me disloyal.


105 posted on 05/13/2006 8:14:14 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: tertiary01; Iwo Jima
JR had a thread on this a couple of days ago. He supports the president implicitly and expects the posters to do the same.

Jim names as enemies the exact same people in the Senate who are pushing for illegal alien amnesty, including McCain and Specter.

It is a great mistake to blame this entirely on GWB, since he did ask in March 2004 for a twice-renewable, 3-year *work visa* and nothing else. He expressly stated that everyone would apply *from their own country* for permanent residency, regardless of the work visa.

Those are the facts.

If on Monday GWB tells the Senate that he will veto anything resembling amnesty, he will save the Republican Party from a very dismal November.

106 posted on 05/13/2006 8:14:47 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Desron13
That's the FBI not the IRS and covered by an entirely different law.

Congress just has to change the laws to make the SS numbers accessable via a checking devise (they can do that without giving out any information other than "yes" or "no" just by keying in the name, number and birthdate and then get an answer back "yes" it matches or "no" it does not.

Wouldn't be foolproof but would eliminate 95% of the fraud since you could probably manage to match two if the answers but would be hard pressed to get all three. By giving a simple "yes" or "no" answer, the government would still be protecting the basic privacy of an individual because it would not be giving out information, merely confirming information the individual willingly gave out.

107 posted on 05/13/2006 8:17:52 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Allow in a legal immigrant for every illegal alien deported.)
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Where'ssssssssss MNJohnnie??????

Did we lose him?


108 posted on 05/13/2006 8:19:08 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: angkor

I'm sorry but a poster such as yourself, who doesn't even know the difference between the Republican Senate Bill and the Democrat alternative, nor what a FILLIBUSTER is, is hardly a credible source of "information".


109 posted on 05/13/2006 8:19:35 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Real Leaders lead. Political Prostitutes cite polls and pander)
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To: MNJohnnie

Go hose it nitwit. Anything beyond "idiot" and "whiner" is above your pay grade.


110 posted on 05/13/2006 8:22:19 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Arizona Carolyn
"Tony is smart enough to tell him the base isn't going to buy it."

Sorry to pop you bubble on this one Arizona Carolyn but Tony is a big Bush fan on this whole Amnesty issue. I wouldn't look for any help from that quarter.

111 posted on 05/13/2006 8:22:20 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Whaa! I don't care what the facts are. I hate the GOP and want to be mad. Whaa!. Spare us the phony rhetoric pseudo Conservative Moveon.org activist.

Sorry anyone this feverish to post Hate GOP propaganda over and over and over plus is willing to tell out right lies is either a Democrat pretending to be a "Betrayed Conservatives" or a complete political incompetent who has NO clue how Politics works in a Constitutional Republic. So which are you, a political fraud or a political fool?

No one gets 100% of what they want in politics. To actively work to throw away a glass 60% of Conservative values to elect a Government that will give you 100% political poison is the the behavior of spoiled, petulant, children, NOT rational adults.

112 posted on 05/13/2006 8:28:59 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Real Leaders lead. Political Prostitutes cite polls and pander)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"Introduction My professional goal is to continue working to make the National Association of Chiefs of Police the leading voice of American law enforcement and security. My personal aspirations are to be a widely read columnist and to create a better understanding of law enforcement and security work on the post-9-1-1 era. I've written two books and hope to write a third in the future. Another personal goal is to write at least one article each day. My interests are politics, music, motion pictures and daily workouts at the gym. I'm a black belt in martial arts and have studied Karate, Taekwondo, Judo, Ju-Jitsu, Kenjitsu and wrestling. I also train occasionally in boxing. "

Yeah this guy is really qualified to tell us what is going on in Washington and the differences between the various Illegal Immigration bills. Just another old wacked out loser who thinks he is an expert on EVERYTHING because he is an expert in one thing.

113 posted on 05/13/2006 8:31:24 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Real Leaders lead. Political Prostitutes cite polls and pander)
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To: tertiary01
"Recognize the enemy for what he is and do not allow them to use divisive issues to destroy our conservative movement. We are winning. We must not be sidetracked by an issue that will be solved in due time as we elect more conservative members to our government and continue replacing liberal activist judges with constitutionalists."

While I agree with Jim's sentiment of not being sidetracked, I must respectfully disagree with his notion of sticking by the Republican party. Conservatism and Republicanism are not one and the same and time is running short. If we don't get the borders closed soon it will be too late and the current Republican administration is only paying lip service to the problem. The Elite in the Republican party are in fact Globalists using the party as cover. The sooner we get them out the better. Failing that, we can kiss our country good by.

114 posted on 05/13/2006 8:33:37 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: McGavin999
"Congress just has to change the laws to make the SS numbers accessable via a checking devise (they can do that without giving out any information other than "yes" or "no" just by keying in the name, number and birthdate and then get an answer back "yes" it matches or "no" it does not."

Your probably right that Congress would have to sign off on this but thats a technicality and only one vote away. We need to put pressure on our reps to get it done.

115 posted on 05/13/2006 8:38:09 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: MNJohnnie
the behavior of spoiled, petulant, children, NOT rational adults.

I'd like to know how your mother teaches you anything about rational adult behavior when you can't get away from your furtive activities in your basement bedroom.

116 posted on 05/13/2006 8:40:41 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Desron13
I must respectfully disagree with his notion of sticking by the Republican party.

You're excused, Jim included the amnesty whores McCain and Specter in his enemies list.

He forgot to add MNJohnnie as another traitorous slut, but he's a Rat in any case.

117 posted on 05/13/2006 8:43:02 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Arizona Carolyn
I told my family to NEVER EVER buy anything from Tyson Foods. Politics aside, they are so corrupt that if they had some sort of outbreak of diseased chickens, they would rush them to market instead of destroying them. Doing business with bad people can hurt you.
118 posted on 05/13/2006 8:48:11 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: TomGuy

dog and pony show

Accompanied by a Kangaroo court.


The whole thing is BS.


119 posted on 05/13/2006 8:51:02 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: TomGuy
Good quote. Here's another from a former Border Patrol agent that should counter many phoney pro-illegal sound bites:

http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=34286

120 posted on 05/13/2006 8:54:32 AM PDT by Eastbound
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