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Why Copper?
Equinox Minerals ^ | 5/10/2006

Posted on 05/12/2006 7:43:30 PM PDT by berkeleybeej

Copper prices are currently at all-time highs. Copper prices have increased from US$0.63/lb Cu when Equinox acquired Lumwana, and averaged US$1.85/lb Cu in October-2005 when the Lumwana Difinitive Feasibility Study (“DFS”) was completed. Copper prices are currently over US$2.30/lb (Feb 2006).

Copper markets are cyclical, typically with periods of high copper prices that last for 4 to 7 years, followed by similar periods of low copper prices. The upswing in the current copper cycle commenced in late-2003 and continues strongly . The present cyclical uptrend can be attributed in large measure to the rapid industrial growth of China, India, Russia and Brazil. There is typically an inverse relationship between copper prices and copper stockpiles or inventories for sale in the metal warehouses such as the LME and Comex. These inventories continue to be at record lows as global consumption continues to remain strong.

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I got a real time education in how an unstable market can throw a giant monkey wrench into normal business practice. I am a purchasing agent and today I was issuing purchase orders for copper wire and pipe based on quotes I had received Wednesday and Thursday.

Guess what? Vendors wouldn't honor their quotes -- they would only honor quotes for 2 hours!!!

What in the world is going on with copper?

1 posted on 05/12/2006 7:43:30 PM PDT by berkeleybeej
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To: berkeleybeej

I don't know what it is. But it is affecting a lot of metals. Crime is up - stealing scrap metal. Maybe just Iranian war jitters.


2 posted on 05/12/2006 7:47:32 PM PDT by Daralundy
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To: berkeleybeej

It's sort of a semi-precious metal, in high demand with tight supplies. Pretty much indispensible for a lot of uses. Wanna win a bar bet? Ask which metal has the best electrical conductivity. Most people will say gold, but it's actually silver, which equals 100 on the conductivity scale. But copper is a workable substitute - good conductivity, but not the price of silver or gold. For a while local code allowed aluminum wiring. Not anymore.


3 posted on 05/12/2006 7:48:15 PM PDT by Freedom4US (a)
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To: berkeleybeej

As the article correctly states...

The solution to High Commodity prices is High commodity prices


4 posted on 05/12/2006 7:48:23 PM PDT by SShultz460
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To: SShultz460

But the Left is continually amazed and perpetually surprised with that.


5 posted on 05/12/2006 7:50:53 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: berkeleybeej
About 15 years ago it was the same thing but stainless steel wire instead of copper. The problem was the price of nickel IIRC.

We wouldn't honor any of our quotes until an order was actually placed and we had a firm delivery date on the raw material.

It sucked for a while but the solution to the high prices was the high prices.

Strange world, eh?

L

6 posted on 05/12/2006 7:51:00 PM PDT by Lurker (Anyone who doesn't demand an immediate end to illegal immigration is aiding the flesh trade.)
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To: FreedomPoster

The left is populated by idiots...

/shrug


7 posted on 05/12/2006 7:52:36 PM PDT by SShultz460
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To: berkeleybeej
What in the world is going on with copper? The same thing that is happening with Gold, Silver, and other precious metals (and other commodities such as oil). The value of the metal is increasing in relation to the dollar.
8 posted on 05/12/2006 7:53:12 PM PDT by meyer (Permanently boycott all businesses that close for the May 1st illegal alien march!)
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Take a look at what Steel has done in the last three years!

TT


9 posted on 05/12/2006 7:53:45 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Freedom4US
For a while local code allowed aluminum wiring. Not anymore.

Too many safety issues with dis-similar metals, loosening conntections, and hot spots. Aluminum is used extensively, however, by the utility industry since it is very light and very cheap (compared to copper). It doesn't conduct as well as copper, but it's so light, that a significantly larger wire can be used and still put less load on poles and insulators.

10 posted on 05/12/2006 7:56:08 PM PDT by meyer (Permanently boycott all businesses that close for the May 1st illegal alien march!)
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Steel is another pain in my life. One of the guys is constantly basing his purchase req's on foreign steel prices - I've explained to him that we just can't get it --American steel is twice the price, but that is all that is available.


11 posted on 05/12/2006 8:03:17 PM PDT by berkeleybeej
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To: Daralundy
Interesting. A penny weighs ~2.5 grams, and at 454 grams/lbs, that means ~182 pennies per lbs, or ~$1.82 per lbs. Copper is selling at $2.30/lbs, which means those jars of pennies could be worth more in weight than in face value.

Too bad pennies have been made of copper-plated steel for the last 15 years or so. Might have been worth it to start selling them for scrap!

Seriously, this could affect consumer prices in other indirect weights. Certainly copper tubing and pipes are a major area, but copper is used in printed circuit boards, certain printing plates, and wire for motor windings.
12 posted on 05/12/2006 8:03:38 PM PDT by IMTOFT
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Article 2 weeks ago talked about that specifically.

They said if copper goes much higher, they'll start minting steel nickles.


13 posted on 05/12/2006 8:05:39 PM PDT by SShultz460
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Price Gouging! Big Copper! EEEEEVIL! More at 10....

In two words, Asian demand.

everything you wanted to know about copper but were afraid to ask

Government stockpiles were eliminated in 1993.

14 posted on 05/12/2006 8:06:19 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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Tried to tell the gold fanatics this a while back, but they wouldn't listen. ;)

Extremely high demand from construction here and overseas.

15 posted on 05/12/2006 8:06:25 PM PDT by SouthTexas (Viva la Migra!)
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To: meyer

Right, that's why I specified local code - it's actually pretty good if setup right. The outlet boxes that are sold today are pretty skimpy... what's up with UL is another question... I think anyone with a printer can put a UL sticker on stuff these days, sheesh.

gold and silver are nice, but who really uses them on a large scale? But copper... There's a lot of folks in Butte who should be coming out of retirement about now I'd hope. .02c


16 posted on 05/12/2006 8:07:01 PM PDT by Freedom4US (a)
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To: IMTOFT

erm pennies...sorry :)


17 posted on 05/12/2006 8:07:24 PM PDT by SShultz460
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To: berkeleybeej

There are no inventories of copper - that's the problem.

There are some beautiful copper stock plays in the market - huge upside - in the near term, that is!

;^)


18 posted on 05/12/2006 8:07:51 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: berkeleybeej

All commodities are going up because there are more buyers than sellers. It's that simple.


19 posted on 05/12/2006 8:09:52 PM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: Daralundy

We are constructing a new building at our church and some dirtbag posing as a worker one weekend came in and stole $12,000 worth of wiring.


20 posted on 05/12/2006 8:11:14 PM PDT by EricT. (CA conservatives only serve to inflate the number of electoral votes won by the Dems.)
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