Posted on 05/12/2006 9:18:12 AM PDT by xjcsa
Headline only so far...
Wrong. The existing walls have signficantly curtailed illegal immigration where they are standing. The illegal immigration shifts elsewhere, but that is not because the walls are failures, but because they are not nearly complete enough.
Is that really the case? I keep checking the want ads and still haven't found any offerings for such a cushy job. "Sit on internet all day spouting opinions on internet forums." That would be too good to be true. I hereby offer my services for anybody who is paying.
You can either have socialism or you can have unimpeded immigration but you can't have both. When push comes to shove I expect the Republicans will choose the former over the latter. This should add to inflationary pressures as the entire point of illegal labor is evade the high regulatory costs of government.
>>Most people would agree that the National Guard on the borders is a good start; but they also are wary enough to not settle for mere words.<<
There are a number of unsettled points
Will the National Guard be federalized and yet operating within the states?
Will they have the same limiting instructions as the border patrol?
What will they do when they are shot at as happens with the minutemen and border patrol?
Will we change enforcement inland?
Will there be a renewed call for amnesty.
Read the book that Jim wrote the foreward for; Hillary's Secret War.
Gee, if that was the case, the death toll in NOLA after Katrina would have been ten thousand once the guard was deployed.
As the Minutemen have shown, just a presence helps deter.
thanks for the info and link
there's certainly precedent for troops on the border and in fact crossing the border as they did when they were chasing Poncho Villa around...
now about that wall, Mr. President?
Exactly!
He's been TRYING to do something for over two years.
Stop trashing HIM and work on your congress people. They're the ones angling for votes.
Let's get some rational thought engaged, okay?
1) Slavery is not permitted in the US. Captured illegals cannot be forced to build a fence as part of any sentencing -- regardless of the zero probability of this sort of thing surviving a "cruel and unusual punishment" challenge.
2) The US prison population of the US is about 3 million people. And they are full. Many are full with illegals who committed other crimes. Given that they are full, there is nowhere to put illegals who are awaiting a deportation hearing. Don't suggest tent installations. Even if they were funded, there is no way whatsoever that would survive a concentration camp array of verbage. It's Not Going To Happen.
3) From day one, improved border security has been step #1 of Bush's plan. All attention was focused on later parts of that plan, but border security was always the first item. Bush can move rightward on this matter without changing anything significant in his plan by simply inserting a time line. Seal the border. Then Wait 6 Years. There will be many fewer left at that point. Only then look into dealing with whoever is left after the attempts to visit family at home result essentially in self deportation (because they can't get back in).
4) Because US demographics define a situation where the reality is NOT one of "work that Americans refuse to do", but rather "there are not enough working age Americans to do all the work a 12 trillion dollar economy has", only after 6 years of sealed border do we address punishing those still present and shipping them to the border for recycling.
If this is true then he just went up 2 notches in my book.
I don't blame President Bush for illegal aliens running rampant through this country. But I do fault him and the rest of the government equally for not doing something about it.
Kudos to him if this is true.
If you hire someone to watch your house while you are gone but everytime you come home the back door is open and there are more and more people in there that refuse to leave.....do you believe the housesitter whn you finally come home and the back door is locked but all the people are still there?
They're already IN my state; my Democratically led legislature is the one that gave them driver's licenses, remember?
You think not supporting the president is going to fix that?
Those hard numbers don't leave much room for waffling.
Those are all good points. I'm skeptical, just because of the President's history on this issue. If he does take real action to secure the border (hoping against hope), it will be because of political pressure, not because he really sees a need.
He's working as hard as he can to force the Republican majority to acknowledge the problem and fix it, permanently.
It's the RINO's who are working as hard as they can to assure the dems win.
It is absolutely shameful for you to accuse someone of working to assure a democrat win simply by citing facts that show how our leadership is failing us on this issue Holwin. Spiff didn't create those figures out of thin air, they are the result of the administration refusing to enforce current immigration law. If the dems had been the one's to do this every Republican in the country would be screaming for blood but since it's the GOP we're not supposed to say anything? That's is absolute hypocrisy.
The GOP needs to be held accountable on this issue and that needs to happen now, if not they will lose at least one branch of congress come November if not both.
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