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Phone-Records Surveillance Is Broadly Acceptable to Public (ABC Poll)
ABC News ^ | 5/12/06 | Mikey_1962

Posted on 05/12/2006 5:57:25 AM PDT by Mikey_1962

May 12, 2006 — Americans by nearly a 2-1 ratio call the surveillance of telephone records an acceptable way for the federal government to investigate possible terrorist threats, expressing broad unconcern even if their own calling patterns are scrutinized.

Lending support to the administration's defense of its anti-terrorism intelligence efforts, 63 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll say the secret program, disclosed Thursday by USA Today, is justified, while far fewer, 35 percent, call it unjustified.

Indeed, 51 percent approve of the way President Bush is handling the protection of privacy rights, while 47 percent disapprove — hardly a robust rating, but one that's far better than his overall job approval, in the low 30s in recent polls.

This doesn't mean privacy intrusions aren't a concern. Nearly half the public, 45 percent, say the government is not doing enough to protect Americans' rights as it investigates terrorism. This concern is far higher than it was in 2002 and 2003, closer to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks — but slightly down in this poll from its level two months ago.

Despite such concerns, however, the public continues to place a higher priority on terrorism investigations than on privacy intrusions. Sixty-five percent say it's more important for the government to investigate possible threats, even if that intrudes on personal privacy, than for it to avoid privacy intrusions if that limits its investigative ability. It was the same in January, although higher still in 2002 and 2003 polls.

The phone-records program, moreover, is not broadly seen as intrusive. Two-thirds of Americans say it wouldn't bother them if the National Security Agency had a record of phone numbers that they had called. A third would be bothered; fewer, about a quarter, say it would bother them a lot.

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To: alnick
I'm as free as I've always been.

YOU BLIND FOOL! How can you possibly think you're "free" when the NSA has access to your phone number?

Next thing you know, some government agency will have information that could be used to compile a list of all Presbyterians in America. How is this different from the Nazi Holocaust?

81 posted on 05/12/2006 7:41:28 AM PDT by noncommie
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To: Mikey_1962

More like the American people as sheeple. So this is one of the dreaded MSM polls that we're to believe in....because it helps validate a republican administrations' orders.

Ok, now I'm clear, thanks ever so much. The founding fathers are rolling in their collective graves, but my government is keeping me safe and secure. They're STILL letting anybody in, but hey, safety is so precious.

God help us all.


82 posted on 05/12/2006 7:48:49 AM PDT by Dazedcat
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To: Mikey_1962
I have come to have no expectation of privacy when I use a PUBLIC UTILITY or when I enter any other public arena.

I have an expectation of privacy when making a personal phone call. The government should have some specific reason to track my call if it is doing so. I understand why there is a lower burden of proof for obtaining a pen trace, but still that's a pen trace for a specific suspect, not a blanket pen trace on every citizen in America.

83 posted on 05/12/2006 7:56:10 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: WhiteGuy
It is my opinion that the constitution is quite clear regarding the right to privacy.

Really?? I have a pretty neat copy of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that I had framed up and hung in my office. I got them at a souvenir store in Chattanooga, and they look really nice in and old-time frame. But that's beside the point...

From time to time, I read the text of the articles and the amendments in the BOR. After 10 years, I guess I've probably read the documents a dozen times or so.

And you know, after all that, I have yet to find that elusive article, that single amendment, that one guaranteed "right to privacy" that so many claim resides somewhere in these documents.

So could you help me out and tell me exactly where I find this right to privacy? I would really like to know; and please be specific.

Thanks! L_L

84 posted on 05/12/2006 8:03:51 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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To: BCR #226

Trouble is, phone records are small potatos compared to the tax returns we all just filed. From this they know my salary, where I live, work, bank (and can impute the average balance of interest bearing accounts), the stock and properties I sold, my kids and their ages, where I go to church (donations), the list goes on and on. Nobody raises a single question about all of that.


85 posted on 05/12/2006 8:09:11 AM PDT by JTHomes
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To: The_Victor

This poll got DUmmied bigtime since ABC reported it on Good Morning America today.


86 posted on 05/12/2006 8:10:24 AM PDT by amutr22 (Remember....Friend's Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat!)
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To: In_25_words_or_less

And what would you like me to do about it?

C'mon.


87 posted on 05/12/2006 8:20:08 AM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: antiRepublicrat
I have an expectation of privacy when making a personal phone call.

Really? Hmm...Not using a cordless phone in your house I hope.

Good luck with your expectations, I'll keep mine very low when it comes to Government.

They cannot protect our border or deliver our mail so I have nearly no expectations at all.
88 posted on 05/12/2006 8:23:28 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: liberty_lvr
Really??

So could you help me out and tell me exactly where I find this right to privacy? I would really like to know; and please be specific.

Here:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized."

The Fourth Amendment protection against "unreasonable searches and seizures" was adopted as a protection against the widespread invasions of privacy experienced by American colonists at the hands of the British Government. So-called "writs of assistance" gave royal officers broad discretion to conduct searches of the homes of private citizens, primarily as a way of discovering violations of strict British customs laws. This practice led to a unique awareness among our Founding Fathers of the threat to individual liberty and privacy that is created by unchecked government search powers.

It can be argued that the Fourth Amendment applies directly to the actions of an over-reaching government that has apparently coerced a number of public-service communications providers into allowing unrestricted cataloging and data-mining of private records.

These actions could be compared to the government attempting to access medical records, gun registration records, banking records, or even library records.

I am not claiming to be a constitutional attorney or even an expert. I do know, from my perspective, that I don't want the government to have unrestricted access to personal private information.

It is necessary for a judge to issue a court order to access these types of records in private or criminal actions. The government needs to abide by the same laws.

As I said originally, It is my opinion.

89 posted on 05/12/2006 8:33:40 AM PDT by WhiteGuy ("Every Generation needs a new revolution" - Jefferson)
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To: noncommie; sinkspur

"YOU BLIND FOOL! How can you possibly think you're "free" when the NSA has access to your phone number?

"Next thing you know, some government agency will have information that could be used to compile a list of all Presbyterians in America. How is this different from the Nazi Holocaust?"

Thanks for the best bit of satire I've read here in some time!


90 posted on 05/12/2006 8:36:35 AM PDT by zook
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To: liberty_lvr
And you know, after all that, I have yet to find that elusive article, that single amendment, that one guaranteed "right to privacy" that so many claim resides somewhere in these documents. So could you help me out and tell me exactly where I find this right to privacy? I would really like to know; and please be specific.

I'll let Chief Justice Roberts explain.

Specter: Judge Roberts, do you believe today that the right to privacy does exist in the Constitution?

Roberts: Senator, I do. The right to privacy is protected under the Constitution in various ways.

It's protected by the Fourth Amendment which provides that the right of people to be secure in their persons, houses, effects and papers is protected.

It's protected under the First Amendment dealing with prohibition on establishment of a religion and guarantee of free exercise.

It protects privacy in matters of conscience.

It was protected by the framers in areas that were of particular concern to them. It may not seem so significant today: the Third Amendment, protecting their homes against the quartering of troops.

And in addition, the court has -- it was a series of decisions going back 80 years -- has recognized that personal privacy is a component of the liberty protected by the due process clause.

The court has explained that the liberty protected is not limited to freedom from physical restraint and that it's protected not simply procedurally, but as a substantive matter as well.

And those decisions have sketched out, over a period of 80 years, certain aspects of privacy that are protected as part of the liberty in the due process clause under the Constitution.

John Roberts Confirmation Hearing ...

91 posted on 05/12/2006 8:44:32 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: KDD

Now let's ask Judge Roberts, "is this an unlimited right?"


92 posted on 05/12/2006 8:46:12 AM PDT by zook
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To: BCR #226
In WW2, we were in a declared state of war and the public was aware of the monitoring beforehand. We are not in a declared state of war now nor was the public made aware before hand.

Declared -- semantics.

Public aware = Al Qaeda aware.

93 posted on 05/12/2006 8:48:18 AM PDT by alnick
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To: WhiteGuy
It can be argued that the Fourth Amendment applies directly to the actions of an over-reaching government that has apparently coerced a number of public-service communications providers into allowing unrestricted cataloging and data-mining of private records.

While I respect your opinion, since it is lucid and based on your best interpretation of the relevant clause, in this case I just can't reconcile how the records of a public utility can be considered private.

We'll leave the debate over the interpretation of the Fourth Amendment as guaranteeing a right to privacy for a later time!

94 posted on 05/12/2006 8:55:36 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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To: WhiteGuy
But just ask yourself, would you be so quick to capitulate if the president were named clinton?

Capitulate? I would insist that my government live up to their responsibility to defend our great nation, regardless of the name of the president.

I would expect them to put our enemies under surveillance.

95 posted on 05/12/2006 8:58:41 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Mikey_1962
Is nice to see some articles posted that aren't Bush/Bash.

Great post.
96 posted on 05/12/2006 9:02:21 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: zook
Now let's ask Judge Roberts, "is this an unlimited right?"

Agreed. The Constitution is protecting that which is specifically mine. Phone records generated by my activity during the use of a publicly offered service don't belong to me; they belong to the entity providing the service.

Just like retailers who share my online purchasing habits in order to more effectively market to my tastes, they are dealing with the results of my activities. In no case am I under the illusion that my activities in the public marketplace are protected or private.

97 posted on 05/12/2006 9:02:34 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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To: zook; noncommie
"Next thing you know, some government agency will have information that could be used to compile a list of all Presbyterians in America. How is this different from the Nazi Holocaust?"

This leap of logic is akin to my son saying "You won't let me stay out until 2 am. Why do you want to kill me?"

98 posted on 05/12/2006 9:02:44 AM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: Woodstock
I’m usually surprised at the how sheeple blindly go along with everything, but this one got me.

Seriously? I just assumed Americans would love it.

99 posted on 05/12/2006 9:05:21 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: WhiteGuy
Your telephone company has all of these same records. In fact, I believe much of this data base comes from these very records.

I haven't been following this all that closely, as it doesn't bother me, but this is my current understanding.

100 posted on 05/12/2006 9:08:12 AM PDT by NeonKnight (We don't believe you, you need more people.)
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