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Sparing Moussaoui( Charles Krauthammer opines)
Real Clear Politics ^ | May 12, 2006 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 05/12/2006 5:37:49 AM PDT by kellynla

WASHINGTON -- I am no great fan of the death penalty. I oppose it in almost all cases, though not on principle. There are crimes -- high, monstrous and rare -- that warrant the ultimate sanction.

Not because it is a deterrent; the evidence for deterrence is very equivocal. And not, as our Oprah-soaked sentimentalism suggests, in order bring closure to the victim's family. Family has nothing to do with it. It is The State v. The Miscreant, not the family v. the miscreant. And punishment is meant to do more than just bring order to the state; it brings moral order to the universe. Some crimes are so terrible that the moral balance of the universe remains disturbed so long as the perpetrator walks the earth.

Eichmann, for example. Or, at the lower end of the scale, Timothy McVeigh. Goering was an excellent candidate until he cheated the hangman by poisoning himself in prison. So is Saddam Hussein, champion mass murderer of our time, whose execution will bring a modicum of rebalance to the universe.

But a civilized society should be loath to invoke the death penalty for anything short of that. There's a remarkable passage in the Talmud that says that ``a Sanhedrin (high court) that executes a person once in seven years is considered murderous." One sage says, ``once every seventy years."

Does Zacarias Moussaoui meet that kind of high standard? I think not. Had I been on the jury, I too would have voted for life in the Colorado Supermax. But not for the reasons most of the jury cited.

In the Moussaoui case, there were three plausible grounds for mitigation: insignificance, lunacy or deprivation. Insignificance would have been my choice. Moussaoui was hardly even a cog.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: death; execution; moussaou; war
"We need no more lessons in the obvious: Civilian court -- with civilian procedures, civilian juries and civilian sensibilities -- is not the place for those who make war upon us."

Moussaoui is a war criminal.He and his ilk should be tried in a military court. The advantage of not exeuting him is that we can interrogate him until the day he dies.
1 posted on 05/12/2006 5:37:52 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla
Apparently he was saved by a single juror who never even made him/herself known in the jury room.
2 posted on 05/12/2006 5:40:26 AM PDT by 1066AD
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"exeuting" = executing


3 posted on 05/12/2006 5:42:08 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

Krauthammer Bump


4 posted on 05/12/2006 5:44:38 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: 1066AD

Thanks for the info & the link.
I didn't know that.


5 posted on 05/12/2006 5:45:11 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi)
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To: 1066AD

Reading that makes my blood boil anew!


6 posted on 05/12/2006 5:50:47 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: kellynla; P-Marlowe; jude24; Alamo-Girl
Some crimes are so terrible that the moral balance of the universe remains disturbed so long as the perpetrator walks the earth.

The above is silliness...and from Krauthammer.

While I agree that closure and deterrance are not the best reasons for the death penalty, they are, nonetheless, acceptable reasons.

The best reason, imo, is that the death penalty is an affirmation of the value any society places on life. In any unjustifiable homicide, any penalty less than life says that the life taken is less valuable than other pursuits and interests....as defined by the state.

7 posted on 05/12/2006 5:53:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: kellynla
This whole process tends to prove that we are truly not wise. Some say that the system works. However, Charles points out the downside of giving the trash a world stage. Insignificant, maybe.
8 posted on 05/12/2006 6:06:30 AM PDT by RAY
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To: kellynla
But a civilized society should be loath to invoke the death penalty for anything short of that. There's a remarkable passage in the Talmud that says that "a Sanhedrin (high court) that executes a person once in seven years is considered murderous." One sage says, "once every seventy years."

...and then, Chuck, there are the Scriptures proper:

"When a man schemes against another and kills him treacherously, you shall take him from My very altar to be put to death."

...Exodus 21:14, JPS 1985. I think I like that reading even better than the one in the NIV.

9 posted on 05/12/2006 6:13:07 AM PDT by RichInOC (SHAITAN: HOW ARE YOU ZACARIAS!! ALL YOUR SOUL ARE BELONG TO US. HA HA HA HA....)
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To: kellynla

Moussaoui across as such a moron, even the terrorists wanted nothing to do with the guy. BUT, guys willing to fly into buildings ar HARD to come by.

I wouldn't trust this guy to organize a picnic let alone a terrorist attack.


10 posted on 05/12/2006 6:19:41 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: 1066AD
You call life in a Supermax without parole 'sparing' someone? Even Moussaoui wants a retrial so he can get the death penalty!
11 posted on 05/12/2006 6:21:48 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: xzins
Some crimes are so terrible that the moral balance of the universe remains disturbed so long as the perpetrator walks the earth.

The above is silliness...and from Krauthammer. While I agree that closure and deterrance are not the best reasons for the death penalty, they are, nonetheless, acceptable reasons.

Agreed!

When The Kraut talks, I always listen but in this case he's off the farm.

Gettin' even is good enuf reason for me.

12 posted on 05/12/2006 6:59:01 AM PDT by evad
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To: kellynla

I have always thought this guy should have gone to Gitmo with no trial. He's not an American and he is a member of Al Qaeda. What am I missing?


13 posted on 05/12/2006 10:34:42 AM PDT by LSUfan
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I have always thought this guy should have gone to Gitmo with no trial. He's not an American and he is a member of Al Qaeda. What am I missing?


14 posted on 05/12/2006 10:36:28 AM PDT by LSUfan
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