[Political Junkie Too]

Let me add that my use of the word "you" was not directed at anyone in particular, just the general "you" for whomever chooses to reply.

I agree that people would be upset at Carnivore, but was it raised to the national level of outrage aimed at bringing down a President? That was also during a time of peace, and we are now at war.

-PJ

[dirtboy]

I agree that people would be upset at Carnivore, but was it raised to the national level of outrage aimed at bringing down a President?

Oh, we would have gladly included it in articles of impeachment against Clinton.

That was also during a time of peace, and we are now at war.

And I do agree things are different - that is why I support the warrantless NSA wiretaps. But there is at least some level of probable cause involved there, so there is a check and balance.

But there is no probable in the entire Verizon call list - and IMO we cannot let the government continue to engage in searches with utterly no probable cause involved. That, IMO, leads the country in a direction that is just as dangerous as the enemy we are fighting.