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To: Enchante; Fedora; Howlin; ravingnutter; piasa; Peach; Grampa Dave; pinz-n-needlez; canadianally; ...

It's well worth keeping in mind now as the mindless attacks on the NSA and the Bush WH continue.... yes, Virginia, there IS a terrorist threat..... there ARE many depraved and deadly terrorists out there, and they do not usually announce their intentions individually so we can round them up before they slaughter people. The very reasonable NSA programs that have been described are exactly what I would expect a prudent government to be doing to try to find out who is involved with terrorists, who is talking to bad people in Pakistan, etc.


2 posted on 05/11/2006 11:39:14 AM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Enchante
"The very reasonable NSA programs that have been described are exactly what I would expect a prudent government to be doing to try to find out who is involved with terrorists, who is talking to bad people in Pakistan, etc."
I second that. Damn fools on the hill and elsewhere feel to comfortable. They figure they are safe, so the hell with the rest of the country. A truck laden with explosives would not harm anyone in the capital. So they stay dumb and political.
And there is absolutely no excuse for anyone to not fully understand at this point that NSA was doing stuff no differently during the clintoon years,and prior to that. Doesn't anyone remember alphabet L/MSM documentaries years back that addressed these things, before GWB became POTUS.
3 posted on 05/11/2006 12:01:23 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Enchante

We would have lost WWII. If today's elite limo driven liberal rats had been around during WWII and treated FDR like they have GW, when FDR did what he did to preserve our secrets and to crack the secrets of the enemy.

Or FDR would have rounded up all of the left wing mediots, DemonicRats and other Anti America whiners and put them into camps until WWII was over.

FDR would probably have had many tried for treason and hanged for treason.


5 posted on 05/11/2006 12:27:07 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Enchante

Exactly so==NSA or bombings here..take your choice.


9 posted on 05/11/2006 1:08:24 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Enchante; All
Re, the No Such Agency? This just in from the blogosphere:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/
NSA Accused of Protecting U.S. From Terrorists

Liberals are jumping up and down about USA Today's publication of another leak relating to the National Security Agency.  Michelle Malkin has a good roundup of reaction to the story. I'd add just a few comments...it's interesting to juxtapose the NSA stories--this one plus the Agency's international terrorist surveillance program--with this account of a report earlier today by Britain's Intelligence and Security Committee on the subway bombings in London last July:  link: 252 comments

 
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2006/05/nsa_its_the_int.html

NSA: It's the Intel Stupid!

I received the following from a retired spook;

I am SO SICK of hearing about the NSA!!  I worked for the NSA for 20 years as a Naval Cryptologist (1981-2001), and I worked at NSA for over 3 years!  It used to be a super secret agency that no one really knew anything about, and let me tell you - the intell gathered helped keep this country safe FOR DECADES!

  The thing that killed us was what Clinton did! Not being able to share info with the other agencies..

  Now, the f#ckin liberals would rather put us all into GRAVE DANGER because they hate Bush, than keep America's secrets - SECRET. Like an idiot friend said, "why is the govt keeping 9-11 tapes secret?"  I told him - because we don't want the f#ckin terrorists to know what we know!  (about them, their methods, lingo, etc) - but the asshole thinks the gov't is doing it to keep Americans in the dark.  What a d!ck!

For my 20 years, NSA was on the up-and-up and we don't / didn't listen to American's comms!  We collected data against enemy targets!!!!  The enemy is out there and we used to be able to listen to his sh!t, but the libs are ruining it - for political reasons - the A$$HOLES!

Like I said, I'm so mad - the liberals keep giving the enemy our intelligence, that took forever to get, I'm just so mad. SECRET.

Spoken like a true sailor (which I love) and a true America (which I adore and respect.) Thank you soldier.

More bad news for Americans from Stop the ACLU here;

In an attempt to rekindle the scaremongering of the paranoid left, USA today has taken upon itself to "declassify" more classified information about programs aimed at protecting us. Obviously they decided that there wasn't already enough damage done to national security.

The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.

The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.

"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added.

You must read it all. Jay explains;

It isn't secret anymore, now is it? If you read the entire thing you could easily be left with the impression that the government has gathered all kinds of personal information on you, studied your calling habits, etc. These phone companies went along with the government's request for phone records. These are records that the phone companies keep anyway, that are often called upon in court cases. No one has been listening in on domestic phone calls, they are only collecting a database of what numbers called other numbers.

Since Quest is the only company that refused to work with the government on the matter without a FISA warrant, we should be seeing a mass flocking of the paranoid left over to this company. That might not be such a good idea however. This leak may have just tipped some terrorist to exactly what communications in America are more vulnerable.

 

Other london bombing links here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1438409/posts


11 posted on 05/11/2006 4:33:41 PM PDT by backhoe (The Silence of the Tom's ( Tired Old Media... ))
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To: Enchante

And your perception of the NSA program is exactly what about 60% of Americans believe it is too.

I believe the WH wants this fight too. It will force the public to learn the real truth about the program instead of the drive-by media's spin.


12 posted on 05/11/2006 8:14:10 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-by Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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