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Noonan: Baseless Confidence. It may take a defeat in Nov for the GOP to unlearn the lessons of power
WSJ Opinion Journal ^ | May 11, 2006 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 05/11/2006 12:31:45 AM PDT by FairOpinion

The Republicans talk about cutting spending, but they increase it--a lot. They stand for making government smaller, but they keep making it bigger. They say they're concerned about our borders, but they're not securing them. And they seem to think we're slobs for worrying. Republicans used to be sober and tough about foreign policy, but now they're sort of romantic and full of emotionalism. They talk about cutting taxes, and they have, but the cuts are provisional, temporary. Beyond that, there's something creepy about increasing spending so much and not paying the price right away but instead rolling it over and on to our kids, and their kids.

So, the normal voter might think, maybe the Democrats. But Democrats are big spenders, Democrats are big government, Democrats will roll the cost onto our kids, and on foreign affairs they're--what? Cynical? Confused? In a constant daily cringe about how their own base will portray them? All of the above.

Where does such a voter go, and what does such a voter do? It is odd to live in the age of options, when everyone's exhausted by choice, and feel your options for securing political progress are so limited. One party has beliefs it doesn't act on. The other doesn't seem to have beliefs, only impulses.

What's a voter to do? Maybe stay home, have the neighbors over for some barbecue, and then answer the phone when a pollster calls asking for a few minutes to answer some questions. When they get to the part about whether America is on the right track or the wrong track, boy, the voter knows the answer.

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TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: 109th; 2006; 2006election; cutoffnose; election; noonan; peggynoonan; spinelessgop
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To: MikeHu

"I can tell when she's at her best"

...when she agrees with MikeHu

" -- but I can also tell when she's just counting the words."

...when she doesn't agree with MikeHu.


261 posted on 05/12/2006 1:30:46 PM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: FairOpinion

How come it doesn't work the other way?

If I don't vote for Dems, I am voting for the Republicans, right?


262 posted on 05/12/2006 1:35:04 PM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: nosofar
Please don't say you are actually surprised that politician often doesn't do what he says he's going to do.

You obviously have real trouble understanding the concept of causation. I don't expect a politician, or one of his constituents, to complain when I don't support them after that politician doesn't do what he says he's going to do.

263 posted on 05/12/2006 1:35:44 PM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: DTogo
No, as previously stated, my vote has to be earned and not taken for granted. I'm beginning to empathize with black voters who vote Democrat...

You notice you don't see much ridicule of the Dem's "plantation voters" here anymore?

264 posted on 05/12/2006 1:37:48 PM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: nosofar
You keep this up and you'll alienate allies we need to support immigration reform. It just make things worse.

Such as?

265 posted on 05/12/2006 1:38:04 PM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: malia

Rrrrowrrrr hissssssss spit


266 posted on 05/12/2006 1:39:22 PM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: buck61
I don't think we need to worry about (we), the GOP. Its the swing votes from moderate dems and the independent that is going to settle the next elections.

Yeah, the GOP doesn't need to concern themselves with conservatives. They need to sell themselves more to moderates! (/retch)

267 posted on 05/12/2006 1:46:27 PM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: GregH

Don't we have about 20 appointees waiting in the wings?
Long after GW is gone, they will be the key!


268 posted on 05/12/2006 1:47:39 PM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: stands2reason
You notice you don't see much ridicule of the Dem's "plantation voters" here anymore?

Good point!

269 posted on 05/12/2006 3:17:35 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: dov12348
I've no doubt that a significant part of the conservative base is very unhappy with Iraq as well, and that this counts for some of the erosion of the base.

I don't think so. Those conservatives who are unhappy (queer word, to one is happy with war) with Iraq have been so since the onset, i.e. the "paleo" Buchananite isolationist types. The status quo in Iraq has not changed recently in any dramatic manner enough to drive the recent poll drop.

What has changed was hundreds of thousands of illegal invaders marching in US cities, demanding that they be given things they haven't earned, and flaunting their unwillingness to assimilate into American culture. Bush's proposed policies have failed to address the root cause of this problem: border enforcement. It's not rocket science.

270 posted on 05/12/2006 3:59:19 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: MikeHu
That's just it -- compared to what? When it is reported that Bush's approval rating is at a "record low," was that a record for his own ratings, ...

Don't read more in to it than what it is: What do you think of the President's performance of his job right now. If you want to know what aspect of his job people are responding to right now, look at what is the hot topic on the news and on this very board.

271 posted on 05/12/2006 4:07:12 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: LexBaird

I think he's doing a better job than anybody else could. Is that a 100% approval?


272 posted on 05/12/2006 4:13:39 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: MikeHu
I think he's doing a better job than anybody else could. Is that a 100% approval?

Do you think currently, with what Bush is doing in his role of President of the US, he is doing a good job, or a bad job? That's what the approval rating generally refers to.

Currently, his active and visible agenda consists of immigration and border enforcement (which he is not addressing), the handling of existing illegal aliens (for which he is proposing amnesty in all but name), and the changes in his top officials at CIA. The poll are returning a low 30s percentile of approval. If you take a baseline of just over 50% of the country who voted for him in 2004, that means that around 20% of those people don't like his job on some combo of these on these top-of-mind issues.

273 posted on 05/12/2006 4:36:14 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: LexBaird
that means that around 20%

Oops. Bad math. 20 out of 50 = 40%

274 posted on 05/12/2006 4:39:13 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: FairOpinion; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; Amerigomag; SierraWasp
"I am deeply disappointed in Peggy having joined the "cut off your nose to spite your face crowd"."

Of course you are.

Because one more celebrated and respected loyal American conservative is calling the Hispandering Party-Above-Principle Big Tent "stand for nothing" GOP to account.

Naturally, you find this uncomfortable.

275 posted on 05/12/2006 4:59:04 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
"She's been in this defeatist mode since Bush was inaugurated to a second term."

Now why do you suppose that is?

276 posted on 05/12/2006 5:08:30 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: FairOpinion
I am deeply disappointed...

It is accurate to respond that many on this forum, including myself, are:

1) Puzzled that the sponsor of the FairOpinion account claims to be a Republican and further claims to be a conservative. Both claims are likely myth based on the account's posting history.

2) Amused that the FairOpinion account, while claiming to be conservative, posts frequently on FreeRepublic in support of liberalism and liberals.

277 posted on 05/12/2006 5:30:55 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag; Czar; Carry_Okie

I'm deeply disappointed that the latest theme to promote liberalism
in the GOP seems to be rewriting the history of Reagan.


278 posted on 05/12/2006 5:51:03 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: LexBaird

Telephone solicitor: Did you want to subscribe to the New York Times?

Respondent: No.

Telephone solicitor: Do you want to subscribe to the Washington Post?

Respondent: No

Telephone solicitor: Do you want to subscribe to USA Today?

Respondnet: No.

Telephone solicitor: Do you watch CNN News?

Respondent: No

Telephone solicitor: Do you watch MSNBC?

Respondent: No.

Telephone solicitor: Do you think President Bsuh is doing a good job?

Respondent: What do you mean by good?

Nightly News: "Bush popularity falls to new low."


279 posted on 05/12/2006 5:55:01 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: MikeHu
Telephone solicitor: Do you think President Bsuh is doing a good job?
Respondent: What do you mean by good?

It's a valid question. Do you (denotes the respondent) think (solicits an opinion) the President is (denotes the present tense) doing a good (denotes a positive opinion) job (denotes what the President does for a living).

Since the opinion is the respondent's, the definition of "good" is as well.

280 posted on 05/12/2006 6:35:44 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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