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Republicans and Immigration
townhall.com ^ | May 11, 2006 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 05/10/2006 10:23:52 PM PDT by Zero Sum

Maybe some recent polls will put some backbone into Senate Republicans. But don't bet the rent money on it.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; bordercontrol; gop; thomassowell
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Excellent article by Dr. Sowell.
1 posted on 05/10/2006 10:23:53 PM PDT by Zero Sum
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To: Zero Sum



I cannot think of a time when he has been wrong.


2 posted on 05/10/2006 10:25:38 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: Zero Sum
There is no reason other than politics why amnesty and border control have to be in the same bill. It will take time to see how various new border control methods work out in practice and there is no reason to rush ahead to deal with the people already illegally in this country before the facts are in on how well the borders have been secured.

Separate border control legislation would force the Democrats to stand up and be counted on this issue, without the political cover of a package deal. Some of the more weak-kneed Republicans also want this political cover but taking away the package deal would do far more damage to the Democrats.

Legislation dealing solely -- and seriously -- with border control might be difficult for some Congressional Republicans to vote for but it would be a political nightmare for the Democrats in Congress. And a bill takes just 51 votes to pass in the Senate.

He makes an interesting point here, and I wonder if they've considered this.

3 posted on 05/10/2006 10:28:03 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Marxism is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: Zero Sum; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...


Thomas Sowell Ping!

Good stuff, but the fact remains that the polls that count are the ones open on election day...a la Herndon, VA.

4 posted on 05/10/2006 10:28:48 PM PDT by HiJinx (Remember the Maine! Remember the Alamo! Remember Herndon!)
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To: Zero Sum; AZRepublican; flashbunny; Stellar Dendrite; kellynla; ARCADIA; DumpsterDiver; ...

You're right, this is an EXCELLENT article!


5 posted on 05/10/2006 10:29:05 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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You're right, this is an EXCELLENT article!

I've grown to expect no less from him.

6 posted on 05/10/2006 10:30:43 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Marxism is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: Zero Sum
If they would just enforce 90%, 80%, 70%, 60%, 50% of the laws already on the books, they would go a long way in ending the problem.

They won't even enforce the existing ones. What makes anyone think that passing another bunch of legislation, comprehensive or not, is going to do any good? It won't, if enforcement is not made a mandatory part of it.
7 posted on 05/10/2006 10:36:17 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Zero Sum
...the Senate Republicans and the Bush administration vacillate on strong border control, apparently out of fear of alienating Hispanic voters.

The Hispanic voters thing is the GOP cover story, as they can hardly brag about doing the bidding of the cheap labor business interests.

8 posted on 05/10/2006 10:36:25 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Zero Sum

The reason they don't consider this, is the Mexicans are considered Americans, our leaders (and I say that while tasting bile in my throat) consider anyone that resides in N America to be an American. We are just the US region of Norte. They want free travel from the northernmost parts of Canada, to the South of Mexico. The agreements are already in place, with our Presidente agreeing with the President of Mexico in principal last year. If you want to look it up, I could find the documentation for it from FR archives.


9 posted on 05/10/2006 10:36:28 PM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: Zero Sum

Except I don't believe the rats can solidify their base behind amnesty for illegals. Lots of democrats are against amnesty.


10 posted on 05/10/2006 10:37:09 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: TomGuy
They won't even enforce the existing ones. What makes anyone think that passing another bunch of legislation, comprehensive or not, is going to do any good? It won't, if enforcement is not made a mandatory part of it.

You're right about that. Even the most "Draconian" laws are useless if the Executive refuses to enforce them.

11 posted on 05/10/2006 10:40:24 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Marxism is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: Zero Sum

The only real solution to the border problem is to change Mexico so that it is not the basket case that it is. And that's going to take more than moving large manufacturing plants across the border - it's going to take opening up the Mexican economy to local entrepeneurship. Which means protection of property rights and the rule of law. For everyone in Mexico, not just the politically connected.

And that's going to take a bottom-up revolution. A large and confident middle class that simply insists upon change. And Mexico has such a middle class. Unfortunately, it lives in the US. Many of them would be open to living in Mexico, or retiring to Mexico, except that Mexican laws regarding immigration and foreign ownership are even tougher than those of the US. Mexicans who manage to become US citizens, and who thrive here, don't go back in numbers sufficient to change things as dramatically as we'd like them to change.

What we need to do is to make legal immigration easier. Let those who want to come here, work hard, pay taxes, and try to build a better life for themselves and their families, do so.

And we need to use the leverage of easing legal immigration to force Mexico to do the same. Make it easier for US citizens to reside in, own property in, and even become citizens of Mexico.

And as far as the coyotes go who traffic in these illegals, and the companies that hire them, they needed to be dealt with in the same way we're asking the Eastern European nations to deal with those who peddle human flesh over there. It's slavery, pure and simple.


12 posted on 05/10/2006 10:40:44 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Zero Sum
He makes an interesting point here, and I wonder if they've considered this.

Rest assured they did... right before they discarded it for cover.

13 posted on 05/10/2006 10:41:39 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Zero Sum

Brilliant. Yet, so simple.


14 posted on 05/10/2006 10:42:58 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Stop national suicide by liberalism)
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To: Mogollon
Except I don't believe the rats can solidify their base behind amnesty for illegals.

The problem is, they may do just the opposite. If the Republicans continue to be weak on border security, an opportunist like Hillary, realizing the public opinion, might just take a stronger position than her opponent (she has already hinted at this).

15 posted on 05/10/2006 10:46:22 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Marxism is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: jdege
Much of the recent debate has brought to light some things about Mexico.

Mexico is not a poor country. Rather, Mexico seems to have a two class system -- wealthy and poor. To alleviate the poverty problem, Mexico is exporting as many of its poor as it can to the USA. That does two things: 1-It physically moves many of the poor outside that country; 2-They, in turn, send $20Billion cash back to Mexico. A win-win for Mexico; a win-win for businesses, too, as they hoodwink the US taxpayers into subsidizing the Mexican illegals' health care, education, and social services.
16 posted on 05/10/2006 10:47:17 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: HiJinx; Zero Sum; onyx; Borax Queen; Americanwolf; Americanwolfsbrother
What is really striking is that 53 percent of Hispanics supported the House bill. The loudmouths at the demonstrations did not speak for all Hispanics.


17 posted on 05/10/2006 10:48:15 PM PDT by kstewskis (Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting.)
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To: Zero Sum

Great post!


18 posted on 05/10/2006 10:49:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: jdege
And that's going to take a bottom-up revolution.

That's exactly why the Mexican government encourages mass emigration: to prevent such a revolution from happening.

19 posted on 05/10/2006 10:50:04 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Marxism is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you, sir. You can never go wrong with a piece by Thomas Sowell!


20 posted on 05/10/2006 10:55:30 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Marxism is the opiate of the masses.)
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