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Is the U.S. Giving Mexico Intelligence about Americans?
NRO ^ | 05/10/2006 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 05/10/2006 10:22:29 AM PDT by NapkinUser

There is no more explosive issue on the political landscape than illegal immigration. Not only has it sharply divided the American people, who want it stopped and reversed, from the political classes, which want to legitimize and, perforce, encourage more of it. It may be singularly responsible for President Bush’s alarmingly low approval ratings.

Those, after all, are not being driven by the Left and the media. They’ve never been fans. The numbers are tanking thanks to flight by the Republican base and Reagan Democrats, who are apoplectic over the administration’s stubborn insouciance in the face of unabashed lawlessness that acutely threatens public safety.

It was inevitable that this would come to a head, and now it may have.

Michelle Malkin, who has been a stalwart on immigration, reports that the United States government has been providing Mexico with intelligence about the lawful activities of American citizens, specifically, the locations and tactics of Minuteman patrols.

The Minutemen have been maligned by pro-illegal-alien lobbyists, swaths of the mainstream media, and—infuriatingly—President Bush himself as a “vigilante” group. In fact, they are a vigilance group.

The project is a lawful association of citizens, multi-ethnic and multi-racial in background, who assiduously monitor the way government performs one of its most basic enforcement missions. That is to say, it does pretty much what CAIR and the ACLU do—except its efforts inure to the benefit of American national security rather than death-row inmates, terrorists, privacy extremists and self-styled dissidents … and thus it is frowned on by our high-minded clerisy.

The Minutemen are doing what the government refuses to do: closely watching the southern border and very publicly reporting to the under-resourced Border Patrol the tide of illegals pouring across. This sometimes shames our reluctant government into enforcing the immigration laws.

Obviously, the feds don’t like to be shamed. The reflexively pro-immigration administration thus despises the project—although, where the rubber meets the road, many Border Patrol agents are quietly thrilled that someone actually thinks their mission is important. There have thus been occasional reports, denied by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), that border agents have been ordered not to make arrests in response to Minuteman reports.

Now, however, comes a much more serious charge. As Malkin notes, Sara Carter of California’s Inland Valley Daily Bulletin has reported that DHS’s U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency (CPB), which runs the Border Patrol, has been providing the Mexican government with the locations of Minuteman watch groups, as well as other details about Minuteman participation in detentions of illegal aliens.

According to the report, a website maintained by the Mexican secretary of foreign relations explains that U.S. agents, as a matter of routine, notify the Mexican government regarding the locations of civilian border-patrol groups.

As night follows day, this information undermines the effectiveness of the patrols, channeling immigrant smuggling away from them. As Minuteman founder Chris Simcox told Carter, “Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time.” Chagrined, Simcox added, “It’s unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.”

Apparently aware that this is a powder keg, DHS is scrambling to justify itself. Initially, a CPB spokesman confirmed the assertions of the Mexican government website. Now, however, a back-peddling DHS is labeling the Daily Bulletin story “inaccurate.”

As Malkin reports today, DHS categorically asserts that the “Border Patrol does not report activity by civilian, non-law enforcement groups to the Government of Mexico.” Rather, “During a detention of a legal or illegal immigrant that produces an allegation of improper treatment, Border Patrol reports the allegation and allows the appropriate consulate to interview the individual in custody.”

The DHS statement is noteworthy in two respects. First, while attempting to discredit the report about providing Mexico with intelligence, it does not clearly deny transmitting information about Minuteman patrols—something the CPB spokesman previously conceded quite matter-of-factly (saying, “It’s not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be”).

DHS instead says it “reports the allegation” if “improper treatment” is alleged. But we are not told what DHS considers “improper treatment” (e.g., does it consider patrols by the Minutemen—whom the President has labeled as “vigilantes”—to be improper?). Nor are we told how comprehensively DHS “reports” the matter to Mexico (e.g., does it simply notify Mexico that an arrest has been made, or does it convey an expansive summary of the case?).

Second, DHS seems to be saying that it was compelled to disclose whatever information it may have given to Mexico by the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which President Nixon ratified in 1969.

This latter claim bears scrutiny. The consular-notification convention, and in particular its Article 36, comes into play whenever an alien—legal or illegal—is arrested in the United States. It absolutely does not require U.S. authorities to provide any investigative information or other intelligence to foreign governments. Indeed, it does not necessarily require our government to give a foreign government any information whatsoever.

On the contrary, it provides that when a foreign national is detained, he has a right to have his nation’s consulate in the United States informed of the fact of the arrest. If he does not want his nation so advised, the U.S. is under no obligation to provide notice.

If the detainee does assert his consular-notification rights, the U.S. must advise the consulate of the fact of the arrest, pass along any communications the detainee addresses to his consulate, and allow representatives of the consulate to visit with the detainee.

That’s it. If the foreign government is determined to educate itself about the case, it must do so by interviewing the arrestee (just like a defense lawyer) or by open source information (just like a reporter or any person curious enough to check the public record). It has no claim on investigative or intelligence information maintained by the United States government. Of course, our government may decide to share more information with the foreign government; but if it does, that is a function of choice, not a requirement of law.

The reasons for all this should be obvious. Americans themselves are not entitled to intelligence and investigative information from their own government, so foreigners clearly have no legal basis to demand it.

More to the point, though, let’s say the U.S. arrests a terrorist from a rogue nation that happens to be a Geneva signatory. Would anyone seriously contend that our government should provide, say, Iran with background intelligence about the case? Of course not. We want to comply with our obligations to notify foreign governments about the arrests—after all, that is our best assurance that foreign governments will reciprocally comply and notify our government when Americans are arrested in their jurisdictions. We do not, however, owe them more than that.

This situation calls for close attention. The American people should be told exactly what DHS’s component agencies have been telling Mexico. If, as DHS maintains, it is merely honoring U.S. treaty obligations, that is laudable and to be encouraged.

If, however, our government is gratuitously providing a suspect regime with information about the First Amendment-protected activities of American citizens, the immigration issue is headed for a whole new dimension of controversy.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; invasion; treason
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To: brytlea

I understand that the Hysterics cannot conceive of this being about the limit possible. But they operate entirely on emotion.


141 posted on 05/10/2006 2:40:12 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
There is no slander involved. You may be an exception but I have seen the same names opposing Bush on most issues that I have seen hyperventilating over this one.

I think you better look a little harder. I certainly supported the President, in fact my support goes back to when he was governor of my state. However, this issue is important, and I don't have to agree with everything he does to be a republican, nor a conservatie. And what good does it do to reward the republicans only because they are better than the alternative? What have we become?? susie

142 posted on 05/10/2006 2:40:48 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: NapkinUser

One for the WorldNutDaily crowd?


143 posted on 05/10/2006 2:40:58 PM PDT by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: dirtboy

Exaggeration is part of the MO of the Hysterics and they know they are exaggerating and just pulling numbers out of their @$$ for effect knowing that the True Believers do not care for the facts only the rhetorical impact on others who also will not check them.

The actual credible estimates are from 8 to 12 million. So I use 12 to be on the safe side.


144 posted on 05/10/2006 2:42:55 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Dead Corpse

You would probably try and spread such pap knowing it to be false.


145 posted on 05/10/2006 2:43:43 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: fizziwig

Careful.


146 posted on 05/10/2006 2:43:51 PM PDT by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: Desron13

Government spokesmen never get up and say "That is a flat out LIE." This should be said about the story.


147 posted on 05/10/2006 2:44:54 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Where did you come up with 20 million? Buchanan's headquarters?


148 posted on 05/10/2006 2:45:46 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Desron13

Treason is defined in the Constitution. Maybe you should look it up before looking silly by misusing the term.


149 posted on 05/10/2006 2:46:59 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: NapkinUser
information about the First Amendment-protected activities of American citizens,

Looks like the 4th is hammered and perhaps the 5th. Do we have a rogue agency in the U.S. Border Patrol?

150 posted on 05/10/2006 2:47:32 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Dane
Second, DHS seems to be saying that it was compelled to disclose whatever information it may have given to Mexico by the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which President Nixon ratified in 1969.

Actually that treaty was ratified by the duly elected US Senate in 1969 and not President Nixon.

Strike out there, already misleading.

Author should have said "ratified under President Nixon," but it is not "misleading" at all:

U.S. diplomats and those from 165 other nations signed the convention in April 1963, and President Richard Nixon sent it to the Senate, where it was finally and unanimously approved in 1969.

Does not affect the argument or the information in the NRO article one whit.

If you have a problem with the way that treaty is being follwed through, it is up to SCOTUS, not misleading hyperbole from a journalist.

Suggest you re-read the article. You have apparently not digested the analysis by National Review.

I am at this juncture agnostic on the story, but the NRO piece presents sober assessment and its major points deserve response, which you have not done.

151 posted on 05/10/2006 2:48:26 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"If the "conservatives" have gone mad over tangential matters then conservatives do not deserve to remain in power. Stupidity is very dangerous."


Maybe you haven't noticed but Republicans are in power, not conservatives. That is the problem so just shut up and take it.


152 posted on 05/10/2006 2:48:34 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Desron13

Far from it. You are allowing one of the lesser problems this nation faces to obscure your understanding of reality.

II is not the ONLY or the BIGGEST problem facing the US. It does not even get close to te dangers from the Party of Treason and it ally the TReason Media.

It is very disturbing to see intelligent people lose sight of the major issues and be distracted into opposing the GOP and the President wherein lie the ONLY hope of protecting this nation.


153 posted on 05/10/2006 2:49:48 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Nope. Math. Try it some time. Government estimates that 10-12 million illegals are currently living in the US. Estimates from the border patrol put their "catch" rate at 20% while independant research puts that rate closer to 10%. Right now, they are "catching" upwards of 6000 per day. Works out to 20 million that will flood our border this year at this rate with this President endorsing an Amnesty.

I think that number is a bit high, so I low balled it at 9 million.

154 posted on 05/10/2006 2:49:55 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
In San Diego, the document referred to a meeting with Border Patrol Chief Darryl Griffen stating that "Mr. Griffen reiterated to the undersecretary his promise to notify the General Consul right away when the vigilantes detain or participate in the detention of any undocumented migrant."

I don't believe this is part of that treaty, is it???

155 posted on 05/10/2006 2:49:59 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the whole trailer park...)
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To: taxed2death

Throw him out after all he won't put up a half mile high fence around the country.


156 posted on 05/10/2006 2:50:59 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: brytlea

I am just amazed at the continued refusal of "conservatives" to see they are helping destroy everything they claim to believe in over an issue which has been around for at least five decades.

It is NOT the end all and be all or worthy of weakening the GOP. Why is that so difficult to grasp?

I have used very little vulgarity and none to you.


157 posted on 05/10/2006 2:55:11 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: houeto

Good God!!!!


158 posted on 05/10/2006 2:56:44 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: Dead Corpse

Absolutely Dead on!!

BTTT


159 posted on 05/10/2006 2:58:31 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: brytlea

Then I can assume you are not one of the 20% ready to throw it all down the drain and allow the RATS to regain control.

The last Rasmussen poll shows Texans actually oppose wholesale deportations of those already here. In fact, only three or four states support that policy. This means they de facto support some form of amnesty. If so why are so many mad at the President?

All I hope for is some perspective on this issue and the Zealots do not show that they have ANY. In a world where the media was fair criticism is fine but in this one every criticism of a conservative is whipped up into a wildfire by the Treason Media.


160 posted on 05/10/2006 2:59:48 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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