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Is the U.S. Giving Mexico Intelligence about Americans?
NRO ^ | 05/10/2006 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 05/10/2006 10:22:29 AM PDT by NapkinUser

There is no more explosive issue on the political landscape than illegal immigration. Not only has it sharply divided the American people, who want it stopped and reversed, from the political classes, which want to legitimize and, perforce, encourage more of it. It may be singularly responsible for President Bush’s alarmingly low approval ratings.

Those, after all, are not being driven by the Left and the media. They’ve never been fans. The numbers are tanking thanks to flight by the Republican base and Reagan Democrats, who are apoplectic over the administration’s stubborn insouciance in the face of unabashed lawlessness that acutely threatens public safety.

It was inevitable that this would come to a head, and now it may have.

Michelle Malkin, who has been a stalwart on immigration, reports that the United States government has been providing Mexico with intelligence about the lawful activities of American citizens, specifically, the locations and tactics of Minuteman patrols.

The Minutemen have been maligned by pro-illegal-alien lobbyists, swaths of the mainstream media, and—infuriatingly—President Bush himself as a “vigilante” group. In fact, they are a vigilance group.

The project is a lawful association of citizens, multi-ethnic and multi-racial in background, who assiduously monitor the way government performs one of its most basic enforcement missions. That is to say, it does pretty much what CAIR and the ACLU do—except its efforts inure to the benefit of American national security rather than death-row inmates, terrorists, privacy extremists and self-styled dissidents … and thus it is frowned on by our high-minded clerisy.

The Minutemen are doing what the government refuses to do: closely watching the southern border and very publicly reporting to the under-resourced Border Patrol the tide of illegals pouring across. This sometimes shames our reluctant government into enforcing the immigration laws.

Obviously, the feds don’t like to be shamed. The reflexively pro-immigration administration thus despises the project—although, where the rubber meets the road, many Border Patrol agents are quietly thrilled that someone actually thinks their mission is important. There have thus been occasional reports, denied by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), that border agents have been ordered not to make arrests in response to Minuteman reports.

Now, however, comes a much more serious charge. As Malkin notes, Sara Carter of California’s Inland Valley Daily Bulletin has reported that DHS’s U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency (CPB), which runs the Border Patrol, has been providing the Mexican government with the locations of Minuteman watch groups, as well as other details about Minuteman participation in detentions of illegal aliens.

According to the report, a website maintained by the Mexican secretary of foreign relations explains that U.S. agents, as a matter of routine, notify the Mexican government regarding the locations of civilian border-patrol groups.

As night follows day, this information undermines the effectiveness of the patrols, channeling immigrant smuggling away from them. As Minuteman founder Chris Simcox told Carter, “Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time.” Chagrined, Simcox added, “It’s unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.”

Apparently aware that this is a powder keg, DHS is scrambling to justify itself. Initially, a CPB spokesman confirmed the assertions of the Mexican government website. Now, however, a back-peddling DHS is labeling the Daily Bulletin story “inaccurate.”

As Malkin reports today, DHS categorically asserts that the “Border Patrol does not report activity by civilian, non-law enforcement groups to the Government of Mexico.” Rather, “During a detention of a legal or illegal immigrant that produces an allegation of improper treatment, Border Patrol reports the allegation and allows the appropriate consulate to interview the individual in custody.”

The DHS statement is noteworthy in two respects. First, while attempting to discredit the report about providing Mexico with intelligence, it does not clearly deny transmitting information about Minuteman patrols—something the CPB spokesman previously conceded quite matter-of-factly (saying, “It’s not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be”).

DHS instead says it “reports the allegation” if “improper treatment” is alleged. But we are not told what DHS considers “improper treatment” (e.g., does it consider patrols by the Minutemen—whom the President has labeled as “vigilantes”—to be improper?). Nor are we told how comprehensively DHS “reports” the matter to Mexico (e.g., does it simply notify Mexico that an arrest has been made, or does it convey an expansive summary of the case?).

Second, DHS seems to be saying that it was compelled to disclose whatever information it may have given to Mexico by the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which President Nixon ratified in 1969.

This latter claim bears scrutiny. The consular-notification convention, and in particular its Article 36, comes into play whenever an alien—legal or illegal—is arrested in the United States. It absolutely does not require U.S. authorities to provide any investigative information or other intelligence to foreign governments. Indeed, it does not necessarily require our government to give a foreign government any information whatsoever.

On the contrary, it provides that when a foreign national is detained, he has a right to have his nation’s consulate in the United States informed of the fact of the arrest. If he does not want his nation so advised, the U.S. is under no obligation to provide notice.

If the detainee does assert his consular-notification rights, the U.S. must advise the consulate of the fact of the arrest, pass along any communications the detainee addresses to his consulate, and allow representatives of the consulate to visit with the detainee.

That’s it. If the foreign government is determined to educate itself about the case, it must do so by interviewing the arrestee (just like a defense lawyer) or by open source information (just like a reporter or any person curious enough to check the public record). It has no claim on investigative or intelligence information maintained by the United States government. Of course, our government may decide to share more information with the foreign government; but if it does, that is a function of choice, not a requirement of law.

The reasons for all this should be obvious. Americans themselves are not entitled to intelligence and investigative information from their own government, so foreigners clearly have no legal basis to demand it.

More to the point, though, let’s say the U.S. arrests a terrorist from a rogue nation that happens to be a Geneva signatory. Would anyone seriously contend that our government should provide, say, Iran with background intelligence about the case? Of course not. We want to comply with our obligations to notify foreign governments about the arrests—after all, that is our best assurance that foreign governments will reciprocally comply and notify our government when Americans are arrested in their jurisdictions. We do not, however, owe them more than that.

This situation calls for close attention. The American people should be told exactly what DHS’s component agencies have been telling Mexico. If, as DHS maintains, it is merely honoring U.S. treaty obligations, that is laudable and to be encouraged.

If, however, our government is gratuitously providing a suspect regime with information about the First Amendment-protected activities of American citizens, the immigration issue is headed for a whole new dimension of controversy.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; invasion; treason
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To: justshutupandtakeit

No need to lie on my part. The truth is more than ample to smack you anti-rule of law types around.


121 posted on 05/10/2006 2:14:02 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Dead Corpse
This has been building to a head for 20 years and THIS President has a historical opportunity to do something about it.

And yet he'd rather suck up to open borders lobbyists and Vincente Fox than uphold this Nations laws and Constitution.

It is too bad that there seems to be a real leadership vacuum on this issue.

122 posted on 05/10/2006 2:15:05 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: houeto
This just in from Michelle's blog.

HOMELAND INSECURITY BULLETIN By Michelle Malkin · May 10, 2006 12:15 PM ***update from Daily Bulletin: " Scott James, a former Tucson agent, resigned after eight years of service in February, citing a lack of support for agents by the Department of Homeland Security. He said that U.S. Border Patrol officials provided office space inside their headquarters to Mexican consulate officials, allowed the consulate to dictate the agents' activities, and gave the consulate information on ongoing investigations. Such courtesies were not extended to consulate offices of other countries, James said."***

You want a reason? Treason is the reason!

123 posted on 05/10/2006 2:15:15 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"What conservative would turn on the President and aid the RATS?"

I have not turned on the President. The President seems to have turned on me!

124 posted on 05/10/2006 2:16:41 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: houeto

Let me know when the Sanctuary Cities no longer provide sanctuary and are willing to cooperate with immigration authorities.

This is all irrelevant in any case since most of those getting hysterical over this issue are the same ones who condemn the President over EVERY issue. The Perpetually Pissed Off can never be mollified.


125 posted on 05/10/2006 2:18:07 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: RodgerD
There is plenty of leadership and an excellent leader to carry the day.

They are just marching in the WRONG direction is all. Get the straight on that, and things would be just peachy.

126 posted on 05/10/2006 2:19:32 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Sanctuary cities should lose all Federal funding for social programs and education. And I say that as someone who lives in a sanctuary city.

Nor have I gotten hysterical over EVERY issue relating to President Bush. In fact, I've supported him a number of times on a whole slew of issues. Your attempt at painting your ideological enemies on this not withstanding of course. But don't let a little thing like SLANDER slow you down.

127 posted on 05/10/2006 2:21:52 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: investigateworld

I think twice before I believe such sources you should to. But it is soo much more fun to believe anything no matter how absurd from any source no matter how suspect which will exaggerate the "threat" of Illegals and the perfidy of the Administration.


128 posted on 05/10/2006 2:23:19 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: investigateworld

You should know that any paper, radio, tv, blog, or forum that calls on the carpet what is really up with this issue of the US giving mexican authorities the whereabouts of our MM, is purely a leftist attempt to hurt Bush on this subject. They are all liars and cannot be trusted./sarc


129 posted on 05/10/2006 2:23:36 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: dirtboy

Deportation is what happens after Illegals are DETAINED and that is almost always AT or NEAR the border. They don't just shoo 'em back across.


130 posted on 05/10/2006 2:25:12 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: brytlea

Not a "lunatic" just an Hysteric. Occassionally she has written some good stuff but now seems content to play to the Zealots.


131 posted on 05/10/2006 2:26:34 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: teawithmisswilliams
The sad thing is that this report is unfortunately entirely consistent with GWB's strangely cozy relationship with the corrupt Vicente Fox and his cronies. I only wish it was unbelievable.

It is consistant with his policies, that's the sad part. May God help this country to survive.

132 posted on 05/10/2006 2:28:29 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

*rolls eyes*


133 posted on 05/10/2006 2:29:27 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: NapkinUser
As a poster pointed out on another thread, The BP may be supplying the info to the State dept, and State is giving it to Mexico. That way, BP can legitimately say they didn't give it to Mexico.

134 posted on 05/10/2006 2:29:58 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Oh, I've seen other examples of stupidity.
susie


135 posted on 05/10/2006 2:30:37 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea
LOL, and they think Michelle Malkin is a lunatic???

That I were blessed to be such a lunatic as she!!!! ;-)

136 posted on 05/10/2006 2:31:01 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Dead Corpse
"Nor have I gotten hysterical over EVERY issue relating to President Bush. In fact, I've supported him a number of times on a whole slew of issues. Your attempt at painting your ideological enemies on this not withstanding of course. But don't let a little thing like SLANDER slow you down."

___________________________________________________________

Same here, I support GWB 100% with few exceptions... those exceptions being:

1.Lack of border security.

2.faux Amnesty... or "earned citizenship" as he likes to put it.

3. Budget


My minor pet peeves >>>>>> appointing Chertoff / Gonzales and the young lady (name escapes me) who obviously got her position because of crony ism.

His court nominations are second to none.....highly commendable.
137 posted on 05/10/2006 2:32:53 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

He's a little light on 2A issues, but he hasn't done anything to make things worse. I'll give him credit for that as well.


138 posted on 05/10/2006 2:34:31 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I suppose it makes you feel like you're doing an amazing job of debating, but really, some of your comments (like the one this is addressed to) make you sound like a teenage boy. I'm sure you're not, and I'm sure you can actually make cogent points without stooping to vulgar remarks. Why not do that?
susie


139 posted on 05/10/2006 2:34:47 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Dead Corpse

I agree wrt to the Sanctuary cities.

There is no slander involved. You may be an exception but I have seen the same names opposing Bush on most issues that I have seen hyperventilating over this one.
Invariably they ignore the political realities of the electorate and push for candidates who would not stand a prayer of being elected in a national election or even a state one. There is no realism in those who believe Alan Keyes or equivalent is actually a viable candidate ANYWHERE. And I like the guy.

To them EVERYONE is a RINO unless they agree with the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe. I am merely in the lunatic fringe but recognize that the nation is not conservative and hence conservatives will NOT get their way everytime. The transition away from the mentality of the last 50 years will take decades more.


140 posted on 05/10/2006 2:38:26 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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