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Populism; the intellectual equivalent of crack cocaine. Any time there is an uprising of populists with pitchforks, you can bet money that it's lead by someone with a tyrannical agenda at heart.
1 posted on 05/09/2006 8:22:11 AM PDT by .cnI redruM
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To: .cnI redruM

2+2=5

Well, sometimes in the case of extremely high values of 2....


2 posted on 05/09/2006 8:26:16 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.)
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To: .cnI redruM

Yes, we’ve seen it in Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Castro, all of them. Their populism is a means of gaining more power and more control.


6 posted on 05/09/2006 8:32:09 AM PDT by blitzgig
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To: .cnI redruM
if a million people think 2+2=5, then they are not a million idiots, but a “constituency.

So true. So true.
7 posted on 05/09/2006 8:33:10 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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"We're not illegal immigrants, we just are just Document-Challanged"


8 posted on 05/09/2006 8:42:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: .cnI redruM
Very well put! As I’ve written many times, in its purest form democracy allows for 51 percent of the people to pee in the cornflakes of 49 percent of the people whenever they so choose.
I think I have me a new bumper sticker... lol
9 posted on 05/09/2006 8:43:44 AM PDT by Danae (God bless ya Tony! Thank you!)
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To: .cnI redruM

"Most populist movements have contempt for mechanisms which dilute or delay people power."

So much for the "Nuclear Option" against the filibuster, eh?


10 posted on 05/09/2006 8:51:48 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Paris vaut bien une messe...et le Congres vaut bien un mur.)
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To: .cnI redruM

It's taken me many years of my adult life to realize just how much of the 19th century American history I learned in high school was really just populist nonsense. All those "robber barons", "evil corporations", culminating in the Great Depression, until FDR saved us from capitalism. All just leftist, populist rhetoric.


11 posted on 05/09/2006 8:52:55 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: .cnI redruM

I don't often read Jonah's columns, but this one is a keeper.


12 posted on 05/09/2006 8:54:44 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: .cnI redruM
An excellent article. IMO, Jonah missed out on one very important point, which is that the only sure defense against the "2+2=5" crowds are honest education, broad knowledge, and the moral fiber to properly assess and act on what's right.

The primary task of Populist leaders of whatever stripe is to overthrow those things -- they tend to get in the way of the simplistic explanations that drive "the movement."

An interesting example of this is the prominence of the "pundit class" in driving public debate. Pundits -- be they leftist shills or Rush Limbaugh -- leave out a lot of facts and considerations when propounding their views. One finds that it's very difficult to find any one place to get a good discussion of the facts of any issue.

It strikes me that much of the turmoil in today's politics can be explained as the clash between two (or more) competing populist movements. The mess that is Congress reflects two major components of this clash.

13 posted on 05/09/2006 8:59:59 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: .cnI redruM
aww man!

I thought this was gonna be about people lettin' dogs cr@p in your yard and not pickin' it up! crud!

Well...anyway...here's the solution to THAT problem...

BACON GREASE! yep...bacon grease. Teach the dogs to pick up after themselves. Saturday mornin', fry up some bacon and pour the hot grease on the steamer pile. Next time the ol' hound comes around to donate again...well that pile of...um...bacon bits...is just too darn tasty smellin' not to gorge himself up'n.
problem solved.
15 posted on 05/09/2006 9:26:56 AM PDT by woollyone (Preacher; "If there was more love in the world, there'd probably be a lot less dyin'")
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So why am I bringing any of this up in the first place? Well, a couple weeks ago I spoke skeptically about conservative populism amidst the furor over immigration and, before that, during the brouhaha over the Dubai ports deal.

While I would agree with his general take on Populism (it is the ultimate "might makes right" concept)... any and all ideas stand on there own

Just because an idea become part of a Populism movement neither makes it right or wrong ...the idea stands on its own....

Why do I bring this up...(illegal)immigration .... I get the impression that the writer ultimate reason at least in this article on the evils of Populism was to link(illegal)immigration to a Populism ...

But then which side? ...

The pro(illegal)immigration side?...with there mass street demonstration they do seem to be a classic Populists movement

But the writer just speak of conservatives and the (illegal)immigration issues...in his waring of the evils of Populism.... interesting...I smell a Red Herring coming in the next few day .....

Idea's stand on there own

...pro(illegal)immigration Populism movement is neither makes it right or wrong

And a anti(illegal)immigration Populism movement (should in it ever rival the Pro illegal) neither makes it right or wrong ....the idea's stand on there own

17 posted on 05/09/2006 9:32:51 AM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back there race over country)
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This is similar to what Rush Limbaugh was talking about today. Rush pointed out that politicians are motivated by poll numbers, even if the majority of the people polled are dead wrong, misguided, dumb, don't understand the facts, etc.

He even used the analogy that if most people say 2+2=5, well then, the politician will agree, 2+2=5.

It doesn't help when the populace is under educated (due to the sorry state of public education), and constantly misled by the MSM and popular "culture".


20 posted on 05/09/2006 10:29:13 AM PDT by khnyny
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A long article that says little. Sometimes populist movements get out of hand, and 'tis the American way to limit the mob. No sh*t, Sherlock. Goldberg is a typically dishonest psuedo-conservative who doesn't have the nerve to say what he really believes, so he rambles on in an obscure rant about populism. Let me guess here, J-Go favors open borders in part because they're good for bidness and he took some heat for it so now he's labeling his opponents with the pejorative word "populist." He doesn't have the nerve to say racist, though that is what he means, because saying racist is just a little too PC, and exposes the collusion between the liberal establishment and Ye Olde Loyal Opposition.

Second, I’m not trying to say that conservatives who resort to populist arguments are crypto-left-wingers or anything like that.

Nah, nothing like that.

From the mobs storming Versailles

The ancien regime in France didn't fall because of a populist uprising, it fell because a decidedly unpopulist feudal system had driven it into bankruptcy. Sometimes the bogeymen are real.

21 posted on 05/09/2006 10:35:03 AM PDT by jordan8
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Being on the wrong side of “the people” is automatically seen as betrayal, rather than mere disagreement.

I will shamelessly note that I recently made much the same point ("The People" and Their Frailties). For purposes of preserving our freedom we are probably best served by thinking of the world as one in which there is usually no such thing as "the public interest," only eternally quarreling factions arguing in its name.

28 posted on 05/09/2006 12:34:16 PM PDT by untenured
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Many FReepers love to don their pitchforks. It's no wonder why, either. O'Reilly, Savage, and other assorted haters of free-market-capitalism that tout their conservatism have huge followings on the Right side of the spectrum and wield much influence on their audiences.

I'll take it a step further, if one finds themself on the spectrum in any way, they're a populist to some degree. In some ways, I'm on the spectrum...but I sure the hell strive to stay off of it.

I, myself, strive to promote markets and hope that people, through voluntary interaction, using they're own preferences, can self-govern and be the beneficiaries of personal and desirable outcomes. Utopian and impossible? Yes! But history has shown what happens to a society when it gives up on the self-governing and market embracing ideals. I'll stick my Utopian dreams, thank you.

By the way, thanks for posting this editorial. It's one of the most important editorials to kick off a thread on this website in the last few weeks...and the saddest part of that is that the people who should be reading it will either quit three-quarters of the way through or not even bother to respond to it with their comments.

29 posted on 05/09/2006 8:04:45 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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