U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols (telling the Mexican government)

Daily Bulletin ^ | 5/9/2006 | Sara A Carter

[IrishMike]

While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are. According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.

"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.

"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."

Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.

"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.

"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."

[P-40]

Contact the White House, your Senators, your Representatives and your Governors.

But do it in Spanish so they will listen to you! :)

[VOATNOW1]

Does Mexico abide by the rules of the VCCR when dealing with illegals? IIRC, Mexico deports the illegals that they find in their country without any regard to VCCR regulations.

[mrhansen]

Has Rush talked about this on the show today? I wonder what he is going to say about this...

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But how often have we heard that from the RINO enablers??

Too many times here on FR alone. God save us and our great nation.

[moehoward]

Bull.

[clawrence3]

I fully support the President of the United States.

[kstewskis]

So far, I haven't heard him say anything. He still has two hours to go in his show, tho (hoping we hear a "peep.")

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

That treaty isn't relevant to the issue of illegal immigration.

Sorry, the VCCR makes no distinction regarding legal vs. illegal immigration. That's to keep the host government from simply revoking a visa and saying "he's here illegally, so he's no longer under the Vienna Convention."

Again, do really think we contact their government every time we send one back?

We send a summary report saying "So-and-so detained on 5/5/06, deported on 5/8/06." That's the sole requirement for immigration-related offenses.

When we detain and hold them on a felony charge, that's when the requirement to allow consular visits comes into play.

Remember that EP-3E that got smacked by a ChiCom MiG 5 years ago? Technically, the crew didn't legally enter China, and the ChiComs were making noises about charging them with murder. By your standard, the ChiComs could've said "screw you, pal" to requests for consular visits, and we'd've never seen them again--and we'd have exactly zero argument.

If that's what you want for Americans, say so plainly. Just remember that whatever rules you seek to impose on foreigners will be imposed on your fellow Americans.

[VOATNOW1]

"I fully support the President of the United States."

Unfortunately, the President of the United States does not support us.

[Tammy8]

You fully support open borders, if the President woke up tomorrow and decided to secure the border and deport all illegals you would be screaming from the roof tops.

[clawrence3]

I disagree.

[taxed2death]

"Five years ago I would have said this CFR and NWO stuff is just nuts now I see that it is true and they are attempting to take the US without even firing a shot."

With leaders like GWB...
and Hillery for that matter, it's all over but the cryin'.

The Koolaid drinkers / Bushbots can't see the forest because of the trees. Take a look at the current CFR member list. See how many white house staff, Congress persons and Senators are on it.

I've said it before on this website and have had my ass handed to me. "You can't serve two masters".

[VOATNOW1]

That E3-3E was given permission to land on Chinese soil.

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I don't listen to the Rush show. I lurk on the threads sometimes though.

[clawrence3]

Not true - I want an increase in legal immigration and guest worker program - then we will have a real chance of getting closer to ZERO illegal immigration.

[PeterFinn]

"I fully support the President of the United States."

So you support leaving our borders open to the reconquistas?

Then good riddance to you, too.

[Tammy8]

Legal or not, it would be a breaking story in the media. Giving water to illegals is also legal, but Minutemen giving water to illegals is a news story. Minutemen doing anything is news.

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You would Mr Rove.

[blaquebyrd]

"Does Mexico abide by the rules of the VCCR when dealing with illegals?"

It really doesn't matter. This whole VCCR diatribe is such a weak excuse for selling out the Minutemen that you won't even hear Bush use it. If he quoted international law as an excuse for not securing the border and providing intelligence to the Mexican government republicans would call for his impeachment.

[clawrence3]

Please see post # 555.