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To: Sunsong
Let's say that everyone has free will and that free will means exactly what it says - everyone has the "right" to choose their own thoughts, feelings, actions, decisions, beliefs etc. And that they are responsible for their choices.

You, like your comrade "spunkets", are incapable of differentiating between right and ability. Rights are those expectations of fundamental respect that each person is entitled to based on their mere status as a human being created by God. Abilities are those things which you are capable of doing, and choices you are capable of making as a human being.

Thus, in order to be correct, your statement should read: "Everyone has the ability to choose their own thoughts, feelings, actions, decisions, beliefs etc. However, no one has the right to do evil (ie, transgress the revealed law of God) and the Almighty will call you to account for it."

Btw, you never answered: do you claim to be without sin?

Yes. Yes I do.

424 posted on 05/10/2006 2:16:13 PM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: Antoninus
"Rights are those expectations of fundamental respect that each person is entitled to based on their mere status as a human being created by God."

What is an "expectation of fundamental respect"?

427 posted on 05/10/2006 2:27:30 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Antoninus
You have the freedom to define terms as you want to - but you have no "right" to expect me to respect them. All humans have free will, which means that they are free to make their own choices, think whatever thoughts they want to, feel whatever feelings they choose to, make decisions as they will, take actions to secure their livelihood and happiness as long as they do not intentionally cause harm - and they are free to believe whatever they want to. Their behavior will naturally follow their perception.

I do not agree with your definition of rights. Just looking at Merriam-Webster:

Right – something (as a power or privilege) to which one has a just or lawful claim

From dictionary.com:

a. • Something that is due to a person or governmental body by law, tradition, or nature.
b. Something, especially humane treatment, claimed to be due to animals by moral principle.
c. • A just or legal claim or title.

It seems to me that you want to order the world based on some kind of theocracy - but that is not where you have chosen to live. You are living in a democracy and in a constitutional republic which allows people of all creeds and no creeds equal rights. What that means is that regardless of what you believe (no matter how sure you are you have found the ultimate and only truth) others have the "right" to disagree with you and to take actions that you do not approve of, as long as they are lawful.

People have the "right" to sin against what you believe to be God's law. Now you may believe that God will strike them dead - but it doesn't take away their "right" to do it. Just as you have the "right" to spew out all the bigotry and prejudice you care to and no matter how much I may not like - you have the "right" to do it - at least here - at least for now.

Btw, you are the first person I have ever come across to claim to be without sin. I certainly have yet to experience your perfection(g). Forgive me for doubting you.

429 posted on 05/10/2006 3:02:48 PM PDT by Sunsong
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