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To: spunkets
There's no justification whatsoever to interfere in private consensual matters.

Really? I imagine society would want to get involved in a "private consensual" situation where a parent was molesting their child. I'd be in favor of that. Would you? And if you're going to play the "too young to consent" canard, please tell me--who gets to set the age of consent in a liberal-tarian utopia anyway? Isn't that a "private" matter? Or should that particular private moral issue be the only one subject to community standards?

Furthermore, the attitude you're espousing is directly from the 1960s. Thomas Jefferson, as governor of Virginia, signed a bill that made castration the punishment for sodomy. I wonder what he--often claimed to be the most libertarian of the Founding Fathers--would have made of your statement: "There's no justification whatsoever to interfere in private consensual matters."

As for the rest, if you can't show rights violations, then there's no justification to impose your morality on others, ballot box, or otherwise.

Funny, we've got a situation in this country now where I can't in good conscience send my children to public schools for fear that they will have homosexual immorality imposed upon them. The lesson seems to be, if you're not willing to stand up for morality, you will be forced to accept immorality.
419 posted on 05/10/2006 1:32:01 PM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: Antoninus
"I imagine society would want to get involved in a "private consensual" situation where a parent was molesting their child."

The child hasn't reached the age of consent.

"who gets to set the age of consent in a liberal-tarian utopia anyway?"

Freddie the authoritarian clown.

" Furthermore, the attitude you're espousing is directly from the 1960s. "

Nah.

"Thomas Jefferson, as governor of Virginia, signed a bill that made castration the punishment for sodomy."

As I recall, he cheated on his wife too.

"I wonder what he--often claimed to be the most libertarian of the Founding Fathers--would have made of your statement: "There's no justification whatsoever to interfere in private consensual matters." "

You're attempting to use beings to justify things. Try logic.

"Funny, we've got a situation in this country now where I can't in good conscience send my children to public schools for fear that they will have homosexual immorality imposed upon them."

The schools fail to teach basic logic and you're worried about fairies.

You can drop the word imposed, because they don't impose anything.

What's thepoint in even educating your kid, if he can't handle the concepts on his own? I don't see the point to schools anymore. The govm't dictates stds, and rules for everything now. Everything! They soon be telling folks what they can and can't eat. I don't see the point to education anymore. Folks don't need to think. The govm't will do that for them.

"The lesson seems to be, if you're not willing to stand up for morality, you will be forced to accept immorality."

No one forces me to do anything.

"Any moral system absent the revelation of Almighty God is utterly worthless."

I've discussed the matter with God. He disagrees with you.

421 posted on 05/10/2006 1:59:58 PM PDT by spunkets
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