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The Other Intelligent Design Theories
Skeptic Online ^ | May 2006 | David Brin

Posted on 05/08/2006 2:04:49 PM PDT by balrog666

Intelligent Design is only one of many “alternatives” to Darwinian evolution

There is rich irony in how the present battle over Creationism v. Darwinism has taken shape, and especially the ways that this round differs from previous episodes. A clue to both the recent success — and the eventual collapse — of “Intelligent Design” can be found in its name, and in the new tactics that are being used to support its incorporation into school curricula. In what must be taken as sincere flattery, these tactics appear to acknowledge just how deeply the inner lessons of science have pervaded modern culture.

Intelligent Design (ID) pays tribute to its rival, by demanding to be recognized as a direct and “scientific” competitor with the Theory of Evolution. Unlike the Creationists of 20 years ago, proponents of ID no longer refer to biblical passages. Instead, they invoke skepticism and cite alleged faulty evidence as reasons to teach students alternatives to evolution.

True, they produce little or no evidence to support their own position. ID promoters barely try to undermine evolution as a vast and sophisticated model of the world, supported by millions of tested and interlocking facts. At the level that they are fighting, none of that matters. Their target is the millions of onlookers and voters, for whom the battle is as emotional and symbolic as it ever was.

What has changed is the armory of symbols and ideas being used. Proponents of Intelligent Design now appeal to notions that are far more a part of the lexicon of science than religion, notably openness to criticism, fair play, and respect for the contingent nature of truth.

These concepts proved successful in helping our civilization to thrive, not only in science, but markets, democracy and a myriad other modern processes. Indeed, they have been incorporated into the moral foundations held by average citizens, of all parties and creeds. Hence, the New Creationists have adapted and learned to base their arguments upon these same principles. One might paraphrase the new position, that has been expressed by President Bush and many others, as follows:

What do evolutionists have to fear? Are they so worried about competition and criticism that they must censor what bright students are allowed to hear? Let all sides present their evidence and students will decide for themselves!

One has to appreciate not only irony, but an implied tribute to the scientific enlightenment, when we realize that openness to criticism, fair play, and respect for the contingent nature of truth are now the main justifications set forward by those who still do not fully accept science. Some of those promoting a fundamentalist- religious agenda now appeal to principles they once fiercely resisted. (In fairness, some religions helped to promote these concepts.) Perhaps they find it a tactically useful maneuver.

It’s an impressive one. And it has allowed them to steal a march. While scientists and their supporters try to fight back with judicious reasoning and mountains of evidence, a certain fraction of the population perceives only smug professors, fighting to protect their turf — authority figures trying to squelch brave underdogs before they can compete. Image matters. And this self-portrayal — as champions of open debate, standing up to stodgy authorities — has worked well for the proponents of Intelligent Design (ID). For now.

Yet, I believe they have made a mistake. By basing their offensive on core notions of fair play and completeness, ID promoters have employed a clever short-term tactic, but have incurred a long-term strategic liability. Because, their grand conceptual error is in believing that their incantation of Intelligent Design is the only alternative to Darwinian evolution.

If students deserve to weigh ID against natural selection, then why not also expose them to…

1. Guided Evolution

This is the deist compromise most commonly held by thousands — possibly millions — of working scientists who want to reconcile science and faith. Yes, the Earth is 4.6 billion years old and our earliest ancestors emerged from a stew of amino acids that also led to crabs, monkeys and slime molds who are all distant relatives. Still, a creative force may have been behind the Big Bang, and especially the selection of some finely tuned physical constants, whose narrow balance appears to make the evolution of life possible, maybe even inevitable. Likewise, such a force may have given frequent or occasional nudges of subtle guidance to evolution, all along, as part of a Divine Plan.

There is one advantage — and drawback — to this notion (depending on your perspective): it is compatible with everything we see around us — all the evidence we’ve accumulated — and it is utterly impossible to prove or disprove. Not only does this let many scientists continue both to pray and do research, but it has allowed the Catholic Church and many other religious organizations to accept (at long last) evolution as fact, with relatively good grace.

2. Intelligent Design of Intelligent Designers (IDOID)

Most Judeo-Christian sects dislike speculating about possible origins of the Creator. But not all avoid the topic. Mormons, for example, hold that the God of this universe — who created humanity (or at least guided our evolution) — was once Himself a mortal being who was created by a previous God in a prior universe or context.

One can imagine someone applying the very same logic that Intelligent Design promoters have used.

There is no way that such a fantastic entity as God could have simply erupted out of nothing. Such order and magnificence could not possibly have self-organized out of chaos. Only intelligence can truly create order, especially order of such a supreme nature.

Oh, certainly there are theological arguments that have been around since Augustine to try and quell such thoughts, arguing in favor of ex nihilio or timeless pre-existence, or threatening punishment for even asking the question. But that’s the point! Any effort to raise these rebuttals will:

1. make this a matter of theology (something the ID people have strenuously avoided). 2. smack as an attempt to quash other ideas, flying against the very same principles of fair play and completeness that ID proponents have used to prop up this whole effort.

IDOID will have to be let in, or the whole program must collapse under howling derision and accusations of hypocrisy.

3. Evolution of Intelligent Designers

Yes, you read me right. Recent advances in cosmology have led some of the world’s leading cosmologists, such as Syracuse University’s Lee Smolin, to suggest that each time a large black hole forms (and our universe contains many) it serves as an “egg” for the creation of an entirely new “baby universe” that detaches from ours completely, beginning an independent existence in some non-causally connected region of false vacuum. Out of this collapsing black hole arises a new cosmos, perhaps with its own subsequent Big Bang and expansion, including the formation of stars, planets, etc. Smolin further posits that our own universe may have come about that way, and so did its “parent” cosmos, and so on, backward through countless cycles of hyper-time.

Moreover, in a leap of highly original logic, Smolin went on to persuasively argue that each new universe might be slightly better adapted than its ancestor. Adapted for what? Why, to create more black holes — the eggs — needed for reproducing more universes.

Up to this point we have a more sophisticated and vastly larger-scale version of what Richard Dawkins called the evolution of evolvability. But Lee Smolin takes it farther still, contending that, zillions of cycles of increasingly sophisticated universes would lead to some that inherit just the right physical constants and boundary conditions.

Conditions that enable life to form. And then intelligence … and then…

Well, now it’s our turn to take things even farther than Smolin did. Any advocate of completeness would have to extend this evolutionary process beyond achieving mere sapience like ours, all the way to producing intelligence so potent that it can then start performing acts of creation on its own, manipulating and using black holes to fashion universes to specific design.

In other words, there might be an intelligent designer of this world … who nevertheless came into being as a result of evolution.

Sound a little newfangled and contrived? So do all new ideas! And yet, no one can deny that it covers a legitimate portion of idea space. And since “weighing the evidence” is to be left to students, well, shouldn’t they be exposed to this idea too? Again, the principles now used by proponents of ID — fair play and completeness — may turn around and bite them.

Which brings us to some of the classics.

4. Cycles of Creation

Perhaps the whole thing does not have a clear-cut beginning or end, but rolls along like a wheel? That certainly would allow enough macro-time for everything and anything to happen. Interestingly, the cyclical notion opens up infinite time for both evolution and intelligent designers … though not of any kind that will please ID promoters. Shall Hindu gurus and Mayan priest kings step up and demand equal time for their theories of creation cycles? How can you stop them, once the principle is established that every hypothesis deserves equal treatment in the schools, allowing students to hear and weigh any notion that claims to explain the world? 5. Panspermia

This one is venerable and quite old within the scientific community, which posits that life on Earth may have been seeded from elsewhere in the cosmos. Panspermia was trotted out for the “Scopes II” trial in the 1980s, when Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinge were among the few first-rank scientists to openly disbelieve the standard Origins model — the one that posits life appeared independently out of nonliving chemicals in Earth’s early oceans. Their calculations (since then refuted) suggested that it would take hundreds of oceans and many times the age of the Earth for random chemistry to achieve a workable, living cell.

Alas for the Creationists of that day, Hoyle and Wickramasinge did not turn out to be useful as friendly experts, because their alternative offered no comfort to the biblical Genesis story. They pointed out that our galaxy probably contains a whole lot more than a few hundred Earth oceans. Multiplying the age of the Milky Way times many billions of possible planets — and comets too — they readily conceded that random chance could make successful cells, eventually, on one world or another. (Or, possibly, in the liquid interiors of trillions of newborn comets.) All it would take then are asteroid impacts ejecting hardy cells into the void for life to then spread gradually throughout the cosmos. Perhaps it might even be done deliberately, once a single lucky source world achieved intelligence through … well … evolution. (Needless to say, Creationists found Hoyle & Wickramasinge a big disappointment.)

So far, we have amassed quite a list of legitimate competitors … that is, if Intelligent Design is one. Now a cautionary pause. Some alternative theories that I have left out include satirical pseudo-religions, like one recent internet fad attributing creation to something called the “Flying Spaghetti Monster.” These humorous jibes have a place, but their blows do not land on-target. They miss the twin pillars of completeness and fair play, upon which promoters of Intelligent Design have based their attack against secular-modernist science. By erasing all theological details, they hoped to eliminate any vulnerabilities arising from those details. Indeed, since the Spaghetti Monster is purported to be an Intelligent Designer, they can even chuckle and welcome it into the fold, knowing that it will win no real converts.

Not so for the items listed here. Each of these concepts — adding to idea-space completeness and deserving fair play — implies a dangerous competitor for Intelligent Design, a competitor that may seduce at least a few students into its sphere of influence. This undermines the implicit goal of ID, which is to proselytize a fundamentalist/literalist interpretation of the Christian Bible.

There are other possibilities, and I am sure readers could continue adding to the list, long after I am done, such as…

* We’re living in a simulation… * We’ve been resurrected at the Omega Point… * It’s all in your imagination … and so on.

I doubt that the promoters of Intelligent Design really want to see a day come when every biology teacher says: “Okay, you’ve heard from Darwin. Now we’ll spend a week on each of the following: intelligent design, guided evolution, intelligent design of intelligent designers, evolution of intelligent designers, the Hindu cycle of karma, the Mayan yuga cycle, panspermia, the Universe as a simulation…” and so on.

Each of these viewpoints can muster support from philosophers and even some modern physicists, and can gather as much supporting evidence as ID. In any case they are all equally defensible as concepts. And only censoring bullies would prevent students from hearing them and exercising their sovereign right to decide for themselves, right? Or, perhaps, they might even start private sessions after school, to study the science called … biology.

A day may come when the promoters of Intelligent Design wish they had left well enough alone.


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To: Dimensio
Let's start from the beginning of your oration: There is also the fact that the challenger claims that teaching evolution violates the First Amendment of the US Constitution, yet there is no record of any lawsuit challenging the teaching of evolution on the grounds that it is a religion.

You claim this to be a fact. Not a theory, but a fact. A "lie" implies that I knew the claim to be false when I made it.

You claimed it to be a fact, when in fact it was not true. Now if you had claimed it to be a theory that would mean that you weren't quite sure. But you claimed it was a fact when in reality it wasn't. Note that not one of the lawsuits has actually resulted in a judgement stating that the theory of evolution is a religion

That was not the issue. You made the claim that there has never been a lawsuit. Umm. Naughty naughty. So this brings us back to the evolution challenge. Since the challenge has been proven to not be The challenge is predicated upon a lie.

predicated on a lie you may now take the challenge. You have used up your quota of excuses.

381 posted on 05/27/2006 12:04:06 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
You claim this to be a fact. Not a theory, but a fact.

You are misusing the term "theory". My statement was of a single data point. That could never be expressed as "theory".

You claimed it to be a fact, when in fact it was not true.

Correct. I was mistaken, and I acknowledge that. I know that acknowleding a mistake is a foreign concept to creationists, but if you do some research, you will find that "making a mistake" is not the same thing as "lying".

Now if you had claimed it to be a theory that would mean that you weren't quite sure.

If I had claimed it to be "theory", I would have been incorrectly using the term. "Theory" refers to an explanation of observed events. I was offering no explanations, I was merely stating a data point. The data point was mistaken, and I acknowledge that, however it would not have been "more correct" for me to call it "theory". That you suggest as much demonstrates that you have willingly refused to understand the meaning of the word "theory".

You made the claim that there has never been a lawsuit.

And I was incorrect. I acknowledge that. You are attempting to play a semantic game, but you are misusing th word "theory" as a means of doing it, and in so doing you are failing to make a coherent argument.

Since the challenge has been proven to not be The challenge is predicated upon a lie.

Actually, it is. The challenge suggests that "all evolutionists" -- that is, anyone who accepts the theory of evolution -- has "defaulted" on a judgement, however no such judgement exists. I explained this previously, so I do not understand why you have ignored the facts and attempted to claim that a lie that I had identified earlier is not in fact a lie.

predicated on a lie you may now take the challenge. You have used up your quota of excuses.

There is no "challenge". The basis of the challenge is, as I have explained, the claim of a "default judgement", however that claim is a lie, as there is no "default judgement" against "all evolutionists" as the challenger claims. Also, the challenger claims that "evolutionists" have failed to defend the charge in court. Previously, I mistakenly believed that no such suits had been brought to challenge. I was mistaken, however; as you have pointed out, the "challenger" is lying in his claim, as at least two courts have responded to such challenges by denying the claim that evolution is a religion. Moreover, the "challenge" as stated suggests that a superior court judge can be brought in to mediate a "wager" not predicated upon any criminal or civil law. There is no reason to believe that a superior court judge would involve him or herself in such a situation. The challenger is merely using a challenge that could not possibly be carried out -- because no superior court judge would involve him or herself in a dispute that is not a civil case -- as a means of declaring victory against those who will not take an invalid challenge, because the challenger clearly has no evidence to support his or her claims.
382 posted on 05/27/2006 10:57:00 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
however that claim is a lie

There you go again. Making a claim of a lie. But in your words, if you didn't know the facts ahead of time it is not a lie. So, you may continue calling everything a lie because you didn't know and therefore it is not a lie. Geeeze. Go figure.

383 posted on 05/27/2006 11:05:08 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
There you go again. Making a claim of a lie. But in your words, if you didn't know the facts ahead of time it is not a lie.

If it can be demonstrated that the challenger has reason to believe that a default judgement described in the challenge exists, then I will retract my claim.
384 posted on 05/27/2006 11:12:39 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
If it can be demonstrated that the challenger has reason to believe that a default judgement described in the challenge exists, then I will retract my claim.

Why does everyone have to prove that it is you that is telling the truth but you don't have to prove anyone else is lying? Maybe it is because you can survive on claims without providing evidence. Kind of like the theory of evolution.

385 posted on 05/27/2006 5:29:21 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
Why does everyone have to prove that it is you that is telling the truth but you don't have to prove anyone else is lying?

Very well. I will acknowledge the possibility that the challenger is not lying, but merely ignorant regarding the US Justice system and civil law and also of court cases in US history. In either case, however, the basis for his challenge is false.

Maybe it is because you can survive on claims without providing evidence. Kind of like the theory of evolution.

This is a false claim. I have provided for you evidence that is used to support the theory of evolution. It would appear as though you are making a false claim despite clear evidence that you should have known otherwise.
386 posted on 05/27/2006 5:48:41 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
This is a false claim. I have provided for you evidence that is used to support the theory of evolution. It would appear as though you are making a false claim despite clear evidence that you should have known otherwise.

You have provided me nothing of substance. Give me the facts and only the facts and since you can't you are wasting your time trying to convince anyone that your theory is fact. I thought fairy tales were for children but evidently some continue to live in fantasy land into adulthood.

387 posted on 05/27/2006 5:54:06 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
You have provided me nothing of substance.

I have brought both information regarding the fossil record and ERV insertions that strongly suggest common descent. What more do you wish to see?
388 posted on 05/27/2006 6:09:55 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
that strongly suggest

FACTS man, the FACTS! Anyone can make a suggestion, as you so well have proven. Give me the FACTS!

389 posted on 05/27/2006 6:12:07 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
FACTS man, the FACTS!

The ERV insertions across species is a fact. The arrangement of the fossil record and the structural similarities across fossil specimens creating an image of changing organisms over time is a fact.

Anyone can make a suggestion, as you so well have proven. Give me the FACTS!

I have given you facts. Thus far, it appears as though you have chosen to ignore them.
390 posted on 05/27/2006 6:18:41 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
The arrangement of the fossil record and the structural similarities across fossil specimens creating an image of changing organisms over time is a fact.

That is not a fact. How could that be a fact when you said that evolution could not be proven with facts? Backstepping here we go. I have given you facts.

You have given me theories and suggestions. Those are not synonyms for facts.

391 posted on 05/27/2006 9:57:01 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
That is not a fact

The fossil record exists. Its existence, the layout of the fossils and the appearance of the fossils as they appear in the layout is fact.

How could that be a fact when you said that evolution could not be proven with facts?

I said that the theory of evolution cannot be proven, as no theories in science are proven. Your statement is a non-sequitur.

Backstepping here we go.

I am not backstepping. The theory of evolution cannot be proven. However, confidence in the validity of the theory of evolution is strengthened with a number of data points -- or, as they are more commonly called, "facts".

You have given me theories and suggestions. Those are not synonyms for facts.

Incorrect. I have given you specific data points that have led to biologists concluding that the theory of evolution is valid. You are misusing the word "theory", despite repeated reminders as to the actual definition of the word.
392 posted on 05/27/2006 10:21:30 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
I am not backstepping. The theory of evolution cannot be proven

THANK YOU!!! Now we are on the same page.

393 posted on 05/27/2006 11:01:37 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
THANK YOU!!! Now we are on the same page.

You say this as though no such statement has been made before. Your exclamation is misleading, as I have always acknowledged that no theory in science can ever be proven. That evolution cannot be proven does not demonstrate that your original and thus far unsubstantiated claim that evolution is "a lie" is accurate.
394 posted on 05/27/2006 11:36:19 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
That evolution cannot be proven does not demonstrate that your original and thus far unsubstantiated claim that evolution is "a lie" is accurate.

In your opinion, which is what I have been getting all along. In MY opinion evolution is Satan's lie and there are many who have fallen for it. Man trying to be as knowledgeable or greater than God began in the Garden of Eden and continues to this day.

395 posted on 05/27/2006 11:49:36 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
In MY opinion evolution is Satan's lie and there are many who have fallen for it.

Are you acknowledging, then, that your claim that evolution is a lie has no evidence to support it whatsoever?
396 posted on 05/28/2006 12:12:44 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

B-I-B-L-E now that's the book for me....

By the way, all the evidence that I have given you, you will not accept. You believe in Satan's lie and I can give you nothing else but the B-I-B-L-E. If you don't want to even consider creationists FACTS then it is your loss.


397 posted on 05/28/2006 11:27:48 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
B-I-B-L-E now that's the book for me....

"B-I-B-L-E" is not evidence that the theory of oe volution is a lie from Satan.

By the way, all the evidence that I have given you, you will not accept.

This is a presumptious statement, as you have offered no evidence that the theory of evolution is a lie.

You believe in Satan's lie and I can give you nothing else but the B-I-B-L-E.

You have yet to demonstrate that the theory of evolution is "Satan's lie"; you are assuming your conclusion.

If you don't want to even consider creationists FACTS then it is your loss.

I have never said that I would not consider creationist facts. You have not provided any facts to consider.
398 posted on 05/28/2006 12:06:20 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Elpasser
I wonder if you'd be so quick to declare that evolution had "collapsed" if the same judge had ruled the other way.

Really. If I had a penny for every "another nail in the coffin of ID" comments... I'd have a lot of pennies. If anything, the level of hysteria among the Darwinists has gone up, not down (especially after a circuit court threw out their ACLU lawsuit against Georgia).

399 posted on 05/28/2006 12:20:40 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Deport illegals the same way they came here - one at a time.)
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To: Hacksaw
If I had a penny for every "another nail in the coffin of ID" comments... I'd have a lot of pennies.

Perhaps, but you would not be nearly as wealthy as an individual with one penny for every "another nail in the coffin of evolution" comment.

If anything, the level of hysteria among the Darwinists has gone up, not down (especially after a circuit court threw out their ACLU lawsuit against Georgia).

I have seen no "hysteria" from those who accept evolution, even following the recent legal decision regarding Cobb County. Moreover, the decision did not, as you claim "throw out" the lawsuit; it was returned to the previous judge.
400 posted on 05/28/2006 12:56:11 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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